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George II

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199. But this is not an issue of "silencing Black women", either now or any time in history.....

Sun Aug 8, 2021, 07:31 PM

Aug 2021

That is an oversimplification of what was said. It is about this issue that is up for discussion. Those other issues are totally different, has nothing to do with this discussion about defunding the police.

As I pointed out, someone accused someone else of similar on Twitter for not supporting Nina Turner. No matter that the person supported Shontel Brown.

This discussion is not about who someone is, it's about what that person is saying. If it was a white man saying it, many who don't agree with "defund the police" would feel the same way about him. It's not about "silencing white men"!

PLUS, Cori Bush has spoken on a number of other issues that many agree with. So it's NOT as simple as "silencing Black women." I and many others don't happen to agree with the "defund the police" slogan. It's not a racial or gender thing, it's a difference of opinion.

By the way, Representative James Clyburn stated this week that he wished people would stop using that slogan. Surely people here aren't going to accuse JAMES CLYBURN of silencing Black women, are they?

I'm now going to respectfully withdraw from this discussion.

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The defund the police talk needs to stop [View all] Boydog Aug 2021 OP

Who's talking about it? Which candidates? n/t leftstreet Aug 2021 #1

Cori Bush Boydog Aug 2021 #4

So you think she'll cost Democrats the midterms? n/t leftstreet Aug 2021 #5

I think she provides a "fringe" image they can tag to multiple candidates. brooklynite Aug 2021 #11

The hero who helped stop evictions? leftstreet Aug 2021 #14

Her efforts to stop evictions were commendable. Boydog Aug 2021 #24

lol blamestorming season is starting early n/t leftstreet Aug 2021 #27

blamestorming, I like that word Celerity Aug 2021 #80

Guess you don't know what happened. After her commendable... brush Aug 2021 #120

Maybe you should tell that to the people who keep asking her about it StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #136

I'm not having this argument with you. We disagree on it. brush Aug 2021 #138

Poor Jen had to deal with this stupid statement from Bush LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #243

It's vital for the country that Democrats win more seats in Congress. betsuni Aug 2021 #244

The people benefiting are not largely in the competitive districts. brooklynite Aug 2021 #31

Data to support? LanternWaste Aug 2021 #226

The competitive districts we won in 2018 (and lost some of in 2020) are in the suburbs. brooklynite Aug 2021 #234

President Biden had been working on stopping eviction since June 29 as soon as the Supreme.... George II Aug 2021 #166

This lady gave the GOP great clips to use in attack ads LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #202

The CDC order will likely be overturned LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #204

You really think that if Cori Bush never says anything again, Republicans won't smear Democrats? StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #19

Of course they will smear us but there's no need to help them. Boydog Aug 2021 #26

The only way to "avoid helping them" would be to say only things they agree with. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2021 #34

Thank you StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #42

Yep. There are a lot in the party who simply cannot divest themselves of the idea that the best way WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2021 #46

Still waiting to hear someone here insist that purple state Democrats lay off the StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #50

Heh. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2021 #61

If we don't win, we are all on the fringe. Boydog Aug 2021 #94

*** POST OF THE MORNING !!! *** uponit7771 Aug 2021 #72

I had two friends run for state house in 2020 and they had the moronic defund the police ad used LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #207

Maybe they should have run more effective campaigns StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #210

Have you ever run for office? Have you worked in campaigns? LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #220

Yes, I have worked in numerous campaigns StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #230

I am really curious as wo why defund the police is such a sacred cow to some LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #235

It's not a "sacred cow" to me. I think it's a stupid slogan StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #239

THANK YOU !!! uponit7771 Aug 2021 #71

Hear Hear The Magistrate Aug 2021 #74

THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 OMFG people need to stop blaming horrible messaging on the outcries of oppressed uponit7771 Aug 2021 #70

We're not talking about 'anything'. Budi Aug 2021 #101

Then its bad campaigning to allow an opponent to frame the debate with an non issue. There's uponit7771 Aug 2021 #118

The Undefined, open ended Slogan IS the Message Budi Aug 2021 #122

Again, you have no proof DTP was democrats message in 2020. It wasn't and if you're under the uponit7771 Aug 2021 #124

Nope. That is not true at all. Budi Aug 2021 #130

Link and quote the polls that claim DTP was the DEFINING reason we lost. We're "hurt" by anything uponit7771 Aug 2021 #154

Do you tire of being wrong? LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #208

Again do you ever tire of being wrong LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #209

This statement is so very easy to make into an attack ad that it is sad LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #205

So you're someone who advocates silencing Black women at this time in history. intheflow Aug 2021 #30

I'm for coordinating the message around giving us the Boydog Aug 2021 #36

cause GQP wont demonize that message also ?! REALLY, do you see what they're doing with CRT ?! uponit7771 Aug 2021 #76

I'm someone who advocates winning elections, and criticizing stupid political mantras... brooklynite Aug 2021 #38

Agreed empedocles Aug 2021 #49

If a "mantra" democratic party doesn't ascribe to beats us then its not the mantra's fault its ... uponit7771 Aug 2021 #104

So all of the good Democratic candidates who lost in 2020 due to this moronic slogan are bad dems? LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #213

Agreed also. It's about the dumbest, vote losing phrase ever. brush Aug 2021 #123

Am I also "silencing Black women" when I criticize the comments of Nina Turner? brooklynite Aug 2021 #40

as if a member of Congress can be "silenced" treestar Aug 2021 #143

Unreasonable projection. What's being call upon is to stop bad messaging from ALL Democrats... George II Aug 2021 #172

The point is StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #177

Thank you for explaining it more eloquently than I would have. intheflow Aug 2021 #190

Exactly StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #192

But this is not an issue of "silencing Black women", either now or any time in history..... George II Aug 2021 #199

I never said this is an effort to silence Black women StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #206

I luv your voice. sheshe2 Aug 2021 #245

No you don't. Sen Warnock & Rep Clyburn Say NO Cha Aug 2021 #218

Cori Bush represents dems more than MTG represents the GQP ?! REALLY !? WOW !! If that's ... uponit7771 Aug 2021 #68

Cori Bush, for one markie Aug 2021 #6

ImWithHer. 99% agreement. oasis Aug 2021 #39

This was awesome, thanks. n/t intheflow Aug 2021 #193

Enough democrats talked about it before the election that it's still a talking point for the right. calguy Aug 2021 #7

Correct. Some Dems just keep the phrase more alive, more attackable. empedocles Aug 2021 #52

"some dems" like 3!? They define the whole party !? and if the party is allowing them to do such ... uponit7771 Aug 2021 #66

M$M will make it so treestar Aug 2021 #144

Then folks should direct the complaint at them, not at individuals who aren't even bringing it up StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #146

Our message permeates the M$M correct ?! I mean, come on people we need to focus on the real ... uponit7771 Aug 2021 #153

We've lacked this message for 20 years treestar Aug 2021 #195

Run and don't say anything less it be used against us which is bad politicing uponit7771 Aug 2021 #197

Again,, that is not how politics work in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #214

Of course democrats "talked about it" that doesn't mean people agreed with it as policy !! OMG, the uponit7771 Aug 2021 #65

Again, do you ever tire of being wrong-here are some more facts that show that you are wrong LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #215

Cori Bush has been on MSNBC more than once, CNN, CBS News, and others and in each appearance.... George II Aug 2021 #170

Do you really believe StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #171

There are many voters who go into campaigns undecided that might, or there are some who.... George II Aug 2021 #178

Anybody that flaky and undecided can't be trusted to base our messaging and outreach on StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #183

Be that as it may, the American voting public is what it is, flaky or not.... George II Aug 2021 #200

Bet you five dollars someone's going to whine about that AOC article being from last year betsuni Aug 2021 #173

The interview on the steps of the Capitol was a day or two ago. George II Aug 2021 #175

Amazing how many politicians really don't know anything about politics Walleye Aug 2021 #2

I don't hear hardly any Democrats saying "Defund the police". Elessar Zappa Aug 2021 #3

AOC defends 'defund the police' mantra after Dem losses comradebillyboy Aug 2021 #8

I know there's a few but Elessar Zappa Aug 2021 #9

During our special election in May to fill Deb Halland's comradebillyboy Aug 2021 #17

Yes, they try to make AOC the face of the party. But not because of anything she says StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #90

Yes but we ALL get painted with the same brush strokes Boydog Aug 2021 #29

BS StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #44

If there's proof that a message is unpopular Boydog Aug 2021 #246

People express unpopular opinions all the time StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #250

This is false, we have a strong enough message where DTP distraction doesn't matter right ?!?! uponit7771 Aug 2021 #105

Again you are wrong LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #216

"November 12, 2020"...old article...nt Wounded Bear Aug 2021 #12

Has she changed her tune? comradebillyboy Aug 2021 #20

I don't k now, but she's a smart woman... Wounded Bear Aug 2021 #22

Well, just last week the broadly interpreted Slogan was again rolled out Budi Aug 2021 #28

AOC represents majority democrats? thx in advance uponit7771 Aug 2021 #57

No, but the Pukes paint her as the face of the Democratic Party. comradebillyboy Aug 2021 #86

So no one speaking about DTP will stop repukes from painting her as the face of the party?! uponit7771 Aug 2021 #89

We are fortunate that the OH11 is showing that left wing twitter does not reflect the party LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #217

I wonder if Turner said she wanted "Defund Cha Aug 2021 #156

Her husband and son are cops. Besides she was too busy comradebillyboy Aug 2021 #182

Oh wow.. this is what James Clyburn had to say when Cha Aug 2021 #184

In case some object to the NY Post, here's another source from earlier last year: George II Aug 2021 #174

But just last week it was a major media statement & even gave the GOP their talking points. Budi Aug 2021 #18

GQP works OPENLY against the constitution and democracy and we give a shit about a slogan ... uponit7771 Aug 2021 #62

They can do it because the populist slogan WAS NEVER DEFINED. Budi Aug 2021 #75

Then that's the fault of democratic party messaging and not the outcry of the oppressed. Dems need uponit7771 Aug 2021 #77

No that's the fault of those who repeat the slogan with Zero definition.Don't even lay this bs on... Budi Aug 2021 #88

EMPIRICALLY WRONG !!! Dems who defined themselves on DTP WON in 2020 those who ran and didn't uponit7771 Aug 2021 #95

Bs. DFP was the weapon that Dems had to fight against in critically close seats. Budi Aug 2021 #107

Link and quote any evidence of such, I'm not talking about the words of people we respect ... uponit7771 Aug 2021 #110

You Are EMPHATICALLY CORRECT.. TY! Cha Aug 2021 #159

no. it's kinda' the fault stopdiggin Aug 2021 #115

Link and quote dem party LEADERS who "pushed the half backed ... idea"?! Or are you agree with RWTP uponit7771 Aug 2021 #121

DTP was a self inflicted wound stopdiggin Aug 2021 #131

DTP was loudly denounced by dem party leaders especially Biden, come on people stop falling uponit7771 Aug 2021 #155

I trust Whip Clyburn here LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #221

Again it would help if you would work in a real campaign in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #219

Why 'Defund The Police' Attacks Were So Potent Against Democrats LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #228

+1, 3 democrats out of 400 isn't "all" the democrats uponit7771 Aug 2021 #55

Thank you Budi Aug 2021 #98

It's Good for her to have "Security" but not for Cha Aug 2021 #160

The lack of firm rebuke from our leadership was part of the problem Amishman Aug 2021 #162

No it wasn't, Dem leadership ... DID ... define the party on the issue. Is everyone listening to ... uponit7771 Aug 2021 #163

'slogan of the oppressed'? Amishman Aug 2021 #165

Seriously? StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #167

Means the people who are oppressed came up with it, where do ***YOU*** think DTP came from? uponit7771 Aug 2021 #179

They don't seem to think anyone in America is oppressed ... StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #188

That is not how campaigns work in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #222

What we need is better framing. CrispyQ Aug 2021 #10

I agree Deuxcents Aug 2021 #16

That is very unclear treestar Aug 2021 #145

Yeah, the media works against us, so we should work harder to counter their message, but we don't. CrispyQ Aug 2021 #150

Then what do we do treestar Aug 2021 #194

This message was self-deleted by its author Deuxcents Aug 2021 #13

Who is talking about "defund the police" ... other than a few people who will be lightning rods StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #15

A few lawmakers are ripcord Aug 2021 #21

Who? StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #23

+10000 Bettie Aug 2021 #106

"That's an excuse and a diversion." 👈🏾👈🏾👈🏾 THIS!! Dems have weak assed messages that don't ... uponit7771 Aug 2021 #114

GOP thanks Democratic congresswoman for 'defund the police' message LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #224

Oh, NO! Not the ADS!!! Well, then, I guess we're just doomed, aren't we? StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #231

Just tell the Republican noise machines to fuck off. hunter Aug 2021 #25

You are totally missing the point. The defunding the police Boydog Aug 2021 #33

That's totally my point. hunter Aug 2021 #45

Before we can do the work of the Dems Boydog Aug 2021 #51

If a candidate somewhere in middle America loses their race because Cori Bush answered a question StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #56

With the changes in voting laws we are facing enough of a challenge. Boydog Aug 2021 #78

I personally don't have a lot of respect for the police... hunter Aug 2021 #63

"Republicans just make noise and stupid people listen" StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #92

Cori Bush talking about Defund the Police does not make every other Democrat look like an anarchist StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #47

Rep. Clyburn, given much credit for electing Biden President, has tried to empedocles Aug 2021 #58

I disagree with him about this. StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #64

Biden did not use DF police at all. Still hasn't touched. Biden won the WH. empedocles Aug 2021 #67

So obviously, other Dems using the term does not necessarily hurt all other Dems StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #83

No it didn't, there's no polling proof DTP was a ***DECIDING*** factor in split districts in 20 uponit7771 Aug 2021 #128

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2021 #84

I lulzd KG Aug 2021 #32

Dems oppose DTP completely and need to say so in proportion to Republican lies against us gulliver Aug 2021 #35

... or getting a message that overrides any negative affects from the outcries of the oppressed?! uponit7771 Aug 2021 #87

Say what? aocommunalpunch Aug 2021 #37

They are playing into the hands of Republicans Boydog Aug 2021 #41

No. The people who accept the right wing Republican frame and tone police StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #53

+1, only 64% of democrats think voter suppression is a major issue (link) because democratic ... uponit7771 Aug 2021 #81

LMAO aocommunalpunch Aug 2021 #69

To be more precise, they're helping republicans. brush Aug 2021 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Aug 2021 #43

It's a dumb slogan that is getting much more oxygen and exposure because Dems keep making a big deal StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #54

republicons make it a much bigger deal. empedocles Aug 2021 #60

but dem messages permeates their distraction right !? Right ?! uponit7771 Aug 2021 #117

EXACTLY !!! A line in the 2nd post mortem report say nearly same thing word for word ... uponit7771 Aug 2021 #99

We lost a number of races in 2020 that we should had won LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #238

I call BS on this StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #240

That is your uninformed opinion. I trust the exit and other polling and the DNC autopsy LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #241

Exclusive poll finds Detroit residents far more worried about public safety than police reform brooklynite Aug 2021 #48

So there shouldn't be police reform then? Elessar Zappa Aug 2021 #102

Perhaps POC should be allowed to decide what they want? brooklynite Aug 2021 #132

KCMO. That's what has got a lot of people going here. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2021 #59

I'm trying to understand how you think you will accomplish Bettie Aug 2021 #73

I agree. Even though we can't stop every idiot from uttering the phrase... NurseJackie Aug 2021 #79

How is the outcry of the oppressed overriding dem message against GQP treason? tia uponit7771 Aug 2021 #82

Lulz. NurseJackie Aug 2021 #91

Reality makes some people do just this uponit7771 Aug 2021 #96

No. NurseJackie Aug 2021 #97

Just overheard, I think it was Malcolm Nance on a Maher HBO repeat show, say, empedocles Aug 2021 #85

I enjoy reading his thoughts and hearing him speak. NurseJackie Aug 2021 #93

Not too long ago I had a Trumper ask me if I was was worried about Democrats defunding GoodRaisin Aug 2021 #100

Out of curiosity: does the Black Lives Matter talk need to stop too? David__77 Aug 2021 #103

don't be absurd stopdiggin Aug 2021 #126

Defund the Police... tonedevil Aug 2021 #134

you can talk budget all you want stopdiggin Aug 2021 #142

Police budgets are bursting at the seams... tonedevil Aug 2021 #149

Not really the military weaponry eating up the budget. EX500rider Aug 2021 #152

If it could be the ones... tonedevil Aug 2021 #233

like I said - talk budget all you want stopdiggin Aug 2021 #201

OK tonedevil Aug 2021 #232

"It is the military weaponry used to herd protesters that swell their coffers." Jedi Guy Aug 2021 #203

Thank you. Thought that was the case but couldn't remember the name of the program. betsuni Aug 2021 #211

Some people here have made that argument. StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #137

Tell the people actually spreading it, and see how that goes JHB Aug 2021 #108

They're not the only ones spreading it StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #113

I think this "Defund the Police" label was successfully attached to us a long time ago. Calista241 Aug 2021 #109

Agree for the most part. It was launched by the Dem left, who, with a lot of rw help, empedocles Aug 2021 #112

No it was not "launched by dem left" that's another RWTP straight from FAUX news itself uponit7771 Aug 2021 #127

Who launched it, and who are still using it? George II Aug 2021 #191

Protesters and protesters along with those who represent them uponit7771 Aug 2021 #198

WTF ?! DTP will cost us more than voter denial and nullification ?! ... shit, no wonder only 64% uponit7771 Aug 2021 #116

Again, you are still wrong. Here is some polling that shows that you wrong LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #227

I totally agree. With that catchy, little phrase we've gifted the GOP with a meme to take Vinca Aug 2021 #111

The people who think Democrats must forever play defense are bad at politics Sympthsical Aug 2021 #119

***THREAD WINNER !!!*** uponit7771 Aug 2021 #125

+1 leftstreet Aug 2021 #133

Thak you. /nt tonedevil Aug 2021 #135

Thank you!!! StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #139

Post removed Post removed Aug 2021 #140

THANK you!!! StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #147

Agree Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2021 #141

If Democrats stopped insisting that people stop talking about DTP, that would substantially reduce StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #148

Can we add gun bans to the verboten list? SYFROYH Aug 2021 #151

Let's ban every Democratic politician in America from.ever saying anything the GOP can use against StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #157

FACT CHECK: Reverend Warnock Does Not Support Defunding The Police, Cha Aug 2021 #158

+++ JohnSJ Aug 2021 #223

It has, for the most part. The media effect is keeping it alive. Politicub Aug 2021 #161

"I was going to vote for the Democratic candidate ... StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #164

I love your post so much. Politicub Aug 2021 #168

"I wasn't sure who to vote for....." brooklynite Aug 2021 #237

I don't think that's fair, Politicub Cha Aug 2021 #180

I appreciate your opinion, and don't disagree. Politicub Aug 2021 #187

Aww.. Mahalo for your sweet response.. Cha Aug 2021 #189

No actual Democratic politicians are talking about it are they? Some populist outliers ... Hekate Aug 2021 #169

Ever notice StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #176

Sinema & Manchin are quite unpopular here at DU, so all the time, really Hekate Aug 2021 #185

They're unpopular, but can you point to instances where they're told to stop talking StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #186

Sinema and Manchin. sheshe2 Aug 2021 #196

+1 betsuni Aug 2021 #212

Rt TY for that tweet.. from JDWATCH! Cha Aug 2021 #225

This. nt PunkinPi Aug 2021 #249

What progressives' chances are being hurt? brooklynite Aug 2021 #236

Exactly StarfishSaver Aug 2021 #242

Rep Clyburn Warned Sloganeering such as calls to DTP is.. Cha Aug 2021 #181

GOP thanks Democratic congresswoman for 'defund the police' message LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #229

Fuck that noise. MrsCoffee Aug 2021 #247

+1 betsuni Aug 2021 #248

I'm a solid and liberal dem for years and that phrase WILL KILL US AT SOME POINT Captain Zero Aug 2021 #251