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JohnSJ

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31. Those examples are not comparable to the situation in Afghanistan. We have an

Fri Aug 13, 2021, 11:42 AM

Aug 2021

established democracy, with a strong national defense.

Afghanistan is an entirely different situation

Though our intentions may be good, I think it is a flaw in some of our foreign policy, to
to push Democracy in countries that aren’t ready or equipped for it

Assuming everyone has the same values as we do is not necessarily a correct conclusion. Cultural and religious dogma can be major obstacles to that

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Just saw a report on CNN, (not verified), where Senior Afghan officials are joining the Taliban [View all] JohnSJ Aug 2021 OP

The US and its allies should never have been there in the first place malaise Aug 2021 #1

+1,000 zuul Aug 2021 #6

I'm going to keep asking this question of posts that say maxsolomon Aug 2021 #7

If foreign policy wasn't directed by big oil, MIC and the other vested interests malaise Aug 2021 #10

Yes! And did the MIC and the US military protect us on 9-11? No! zuul Aug 2021 #16

So, yes? maxsolomon Aug 2021 #32

Absolutely true re the Mujahadeen malaise Aug 2021 #36

we also abandoned the Mujahideen after we gave them arms to fight the russians Javaman Aug 2021 #37

Correct as maxsolomon pointed out malaise Aug 2021 #38

I am of firm belief that destruction of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan was attainable Devil Child Aug 2021 #13

We killed bin Laden without a full-fledged invasion of Pakistan JohnSJ Aug 2021 #19

Exactly n/t Devil Child Aug 2021 #20

Yes! So it does seem possible to target one man, or even several men, zuul Aug 2021 #29

"We" chose to invade Iraq as well. maxsolomon Aug 2021 #34

Yes n/t Devil Child Aug 2021 #35

Iraq was based on a lie, and was one of the worst foreign policy adventures we engaged in since JohnSJ Aug 2021 #42

Worse in some ways. maxsolomon Aug 2021 #44

you are right, and it destabilized the entire middle east JohnSJ Aug 2021 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Aug 2021 #2

Let's not forget that TFG started this withdrawal. The onus isn't entirely President Biden's. eom littlemissmartypants Aug 2021 #3

Biden obviously got bad intel BeyondGeography Aug 2021 #4

Oh, I think they knew. maxsolomon Aug 2021 #9

They always know at some level BeyondGeography Aug 2021 #12

Who would "the heat" be from? David__77 Aug 2021 #14

There's a 9/11 20th anniversary media shitstorm on the way, don't kid yourself BeyondGeography Aug 2021 #15

I think "we were there too long" would be effective. David__77 Aug 2021 #17

Paid for my MIC, Big oi and who else? malaise Aug 2021 #39

MIC and pundit class wanted us there forever. Devil Child Aug 2021 #24

I think so JohnSJ Aug 2021 #43

Agree Johnny2X2X Aug 2021 #5

If senior Afghan officials are joining the Taliban zuul Aug 2021 #8

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Aug 2021 #11

It is clear we want democracy and liberation for them more than they do. SoonerPride Aug 2021 #18

We who? malaise Aug 2021 #23

We the American army. It was a mistake to go and a mistake to stay for 20 years SoonerPride Aug 2021 #26

I agree with Biden 100% malaise Aug 2021 #28

This is, and always was, snowybirdie Aug 2021 #21

Yeah. Screw it. alphafemale Aug 2021 #22

Wow... just wow Rustyeye77 Aug 2021 #30

Exactly how many pounds of other people's flesh to you suggest be thrown away on this lost cause? alphafemale Aug 2021 #41

Those examples are not comparable to the situation in Afghanistan. We have an JohnSJ Aug 2021 #31

Taliban captures Afghan commander Ismail Khan after fall of Herat Klaralven Aug 2021 #25

Thanks for the link to this, Klaralven. nt crickets Aug 2021 #47

"But we must stay and help them! 20 years isn't enough!" BannonsLiver Aug 2021 #27

It was inevitable. Afghanistan has always been an ungovernable country, with a JohnSJ Aug 2021 #33

Probably trying to keep their heads. GoodRaisin Aug 2021 #40

Of course they are. kacekwl Aug 2021 #45