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37. The Collapse of an Empire
Fri Aug 13, 2021, 02:46 PM
Aug 2021

After 20 years, a trillion dollars, and 2,500 American troops killed, this is what we get.
Is there any better example of the bloated military establishment than what we see in this horrendous aftermath?
A guerilla force a fraction of the size of its' opponents was able to hang on for 20 years and wait until the USA finally pulled out, after enduring two decades of hellfire.
Is anyone worried yet about the real strength of our military forces?
The fact is, our military rank and file has become a prop for the military-industrial complex, as warned by one of the last of the great American Generals, Dwight D. Eisenhower, in his farewell address as President. Eisenhower correctly warned us about the complex as it had "the potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
So now we have a self-serving complex that eats a sizable portion of the nation's budget but can't manage to carry out its' mission in places like Vietnam and Afghanistan - as flawed as those missions are conceived.
This isn't post WW2 Europe anymore and we can't expect to prop up puppet governments and install faux-democracies in places whose people do not recognize nor understand Western-style governments. Hell, even in the USA we have a significant portion of our population that doesn't recognize nor understand our own government anymore!
So along with our deteriorating infrastructure (due to get a band-aid soon), our failing education systems, our increasing morbidity, and our seemingly unbridgeable political/socio chasm, we can all stop chanting USA, USA and realize that we no longer need a military that insists on fighting wars like we did 80 years ago, albeit with shinier toys.
New ships? They're blown out of the water by someone sitting a few thousand miles away staring at a computer screen.
New planes? For what purpose? To kill civilians? The enemy of today is rarely affected by mass bombing campaigns.
More "boots on the ground"? Again, for what purpose? To spread "democracy"?!! Yeah, they'll listen to us.
No, what the complex needs is more and more of our tax dollars to blow up. Because that makes us all feel like we're getting our money's worth.
None of this screed should suggest I'm in favor a bunch of homicidal fanatics taking control of anything, let alone a country, but it should be evident by now that we're hopelessly unable to stop it.

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I remember Bill Clinton saying he could send ground troops to Kosovo but he didn't know how to get g Walleye Aug 2021 #1
Very true PatSeg Aug 2021 #4
Exactly, This current mess is on W Walleye Aug 2021 #5
Yes and all the neocons PatSeg Aug 2021 #14
W has not been president since 2009. former9thward Aug 2021 #18
Clausewitz Said It Over 200 Years Ago COL Mustard Aug 2021 #26
Yes and in this day and age, PatSeg Aug 2021 #43
Sadly there are no really good solutions PatSeg Aug 2021 #2
It's one thing I like about Joe. He will make hard decisions, and take the flak Walleye Aug 2021 #7
Yes, he has a lot of character PatSeg Aug 2021 #17
Well the asshole did make the deal to pull out last year Polybius Aug 2021 #3
Yeah, he SAID a lot of crap PatSeg Aug 2021 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Aug 2021 #8
100% correct malaise Aug 2021 #9
Yes kpete Aug 2021 #11
And we'd have fewer foreign enemies to worry about IronLionZion Aug 2021 #20
And many of the disgruntled at home are simply fed up of their situation malaise Aug 2021 #21
This will be Biden's Benghazi, but I don't know what else he could do. Vinca Aug 2021 #10
If the GOP ever gets back in the majority it will be endless, vicious hearings Walleye Aug 2021 #16
Then they'll be the Taliban ... Xoan Aug 2021 #25
DAYUM! That nails it! calimary Aug 2021 #36
+1 zuul Aug 2021 #12
The rethugs have almost bankrupted us with their stupid wars. captain queeg Aug 2021 #13
Ghengis Khan was the last to conquer Afghanistan UpInArms Aug 2021 #15
Yup, it was unwinnable and the women will suffer. Jon King Aug 2021 #19
They're executing prisoners who surrender too ansible Aug 2021 #23
Yes, but in the longer run most males will be fine. Jon King Aug 2021 #29
There's no definition of winning IronLionZion Aug 2021 #22
The Romans had anti-insurgency figured out. Mustellus Aug 2021 #24
Big Dog stayed out, too. He got the lesson of Somalia very quickly and got a quick refresher ... marble falls Aug 2021 #27
I completely agree with Joe & back him 100% . V.N.-67 - 70 . time to leave ! monkeyman1 Aug 2021 #28
And if we'd followed his advice in 2009, we'd be in the same position as now... thesquanderer Aug 2021 #30
Quibbling, but Iraq ranks higher than Afghanistan. maxsolomon Aug 2021 #31
Yep Cosmocat Aug 2021 #33
There is never a "good" way to end a big 20 year mistake. BarbD Aug 2021 #32
+1 chowder66 Aug 2021 #40
Because Bush Let the Taliboneheads & Al Qaida Slip Away GB_RN Aug 2021 #34
We could have stayed another 100 years and it would not... 3catwoman3 Aug 2021 #35
Exactly, Russia tried before the US did. Jon King Aug 2021 #39
The Collapse of an Empire Loge23 Aug 2021 #37
"...restricting deployments abroad only to fights directly related to U.S. national security.." SpankMe Aug 2021 #38
Define stability lonely bird Aug 2021 #42
When you lie wounded on Afghanistan's plains lonely bird Aug 2021 #41
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