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Tom Yossarian Joad

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38. So progressives should just shrug our shoulders and pretend that this is not a problem that should

Sat Aug 14, 2021, 07:33 AM

Aug 2021

be addressed? It isn't really a Left/Right issue but it seems there is a segment in America whose hair catches fire at any mention of laws that might keep firearms out of the hands of crazy people and children.

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If only the mom had been armed to protect herself. [View all] Tom Yossarian Joad Aug 2021 OP

I can't even imagine what this child will go through when they grow up and airmid Aug 2021 #1

The owner of the gun (the father) should be arrested for a felony murder/manslaughter offense. aeromanKC Aug 2021 #2

That would certainly be a step in the right direction. Tom Yossarian Joad Aug 2021 #3

This is exactly what needs to happen. Bluethroughu Aug 2021 #4

I'm not overly familiar with the laws in question, but wouldn't criminal negligence be the most Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #6

I assume you would prefer no charges! Nt USALiberal Aug 2021 #20

I assume you didn't read response #5! Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #30

Goodness gracious. LanternWaste Aug 2021 #57

If it is the most likely charge, that is a problem. That man murdered his wife and Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #27

I agree completely Ligyron Aug 2021 #50

It should be that, if your gun is used to kill someone, no matter who took it out or Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #70

That will never happen here. NutmegYankee Aug 2021 #74

Sure. Requiring responsibility is fascist. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #75

Our legal system does not hold someone responsible for another's actions. NutmegYankee Aug 2021 #76

Gosh. You brought that to thhe moronic "gun equals car" argument much faster than usual. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #78

So in other words, you can't defeat that point. NutmegYankee Aug 2021 #81

In this case, it's a solidly valid analogy. ShazzieB Aug 2021 #126

If they were able to take your gun, as opposed to any other kind of property, without Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #134

No gun lock is completely unbreakable, no safe uncrackable. NutmegYankee Aug 2021 #140

Because ... Straw Man Aug 2021 #179

Some states, mine included Mr.Bill Aug 2021 #131

I was referring the the theft discussion. NutmegYankee Aug 2021 #141

You are correct. Mr.Bill Aug 2021 #143

So... Jedi Guy Aug 2021 #77

Yep. Especially if the burgler is a toddler. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #80

Well, thanks for agreeing that you're not reasonable, at least... N/T Jedi Guy Aug 2021 #83

Wrong. Ligyron Aug 2021 #87

No. They are not prosecuted. But they should be. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #135

I love your ideas. LiberatedUSA Aug 2021 #184

Is it clear that he left the gun unsecured? Renew Deal Aug 2021 #32

Sure. Go with that. The gun was totally secure but the toddler was a criminal mastermind. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #37

Read again, slowly. Renew Deal Aug 2021 #39

Read again, slowly. There are gun freaks who jump into every one of these threads to tell everyone Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #42

Thank you for the speech. Renew Deal Aug 2021 #46

My wish for those people, though I know that it will never come true, is that they Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #47

That's nice. Now go throw a coin into a fountain. Renew Deal Aug 2021 #51

Again, how do they become people who respond this way? What warped them like that? Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #55

I can answer that! ShazzieB Aug 2021 #127

Either the father killed the mother, or the mother killed herself. Crunchy Frog Aug 2021 #139

Criminalized? Straw Man Aug 2021 #183

Exactly. ShazzieB Aug 2021 #128

It should be possible to determine who owns (or owned) the gun. thucythucy Aug 2021 #150

No one said that. treestar Aug 2021 #120

+1...nt SidDithers Aug 2021 #69

Realistically, what can be done? Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #5

The problem is these people live in fear, gab13by13 Aug 2021 #7

I'd enjoy quizzing your locals regarding the point of simply leaving loaded guns strewn about. Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #9

Thank you, gab13by13 Aug 2021 #12

In fairness, weapon lights are a standard accessory for handguns and most feature a strobe function. Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #17

We have family members that do that. Guns everywhere. JanMichael Aug 2021 #24

I have a gun on my bedside table. I've used it twice, so far. Rorey Aug 2021 #29

Realistically what can be done about anything once opponents block anything substantive? elias7 Aug 2021 #10

The time to act to change this country's attitude towards guns was the late 18th Century. Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #33

Like the father in this OP there are just too many stupid people in America that own guns. Tom Yossarian Joad Aug 2021 #11

Put him in jail. viva la Aug 2021 #14

The repair is simple. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #15

I presume by "simple" you don't mean "feasible". Your repair plan hasn't the slightest chance of Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #18

Gun zealots always insist that nothing can be done Orrex Aug 2021 #26

Honestly, it's monstrous. How do they live with themselves? How does a person become that? Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #35

Well... Jedi Guy Aug 2021 #101

Please estimate the chance of the agenda in post #15 coming to pass. Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #36

What do you propose as an alternative? Orrex Aug 2021 #49

Merely pointing out that the SCOTUS treestar Aug 2021 #121

I agree that it's a bullshit interpretation. Orrex Aug 2021 #124

"Heller...is one of the two worst decisions of the past half century, at least." Jedi Guy Aug 2021 #152

"Gun zealots always insist that nothing can be done" EX500rider Aug 2021 #104

I've had this discussion for decades Orrex Aug 2021 #110

I've had this discussion for decades EX500rider Aug 2021 #114

How do you suppose other nations have managed it? Orrex Aug 2021 #118

I bet the writers of the Constitution knew what they meant when they wrote it EX500rider Aug 2021 #119

Massive gun trafficking from their gun saturated neighbor. Crunchy Frog Aug 2021 #144

Common misperception EX500rider Aug 2021 #151

I don't see anyone saying nothing can be done. SYFROYH Aug 2021 #125

Gun zealots sure as shit aren't offering any suggestions Orrex Aug 2021 #130

So ... Straw Man Aug 2021 #181

It's a goal, hero. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #40

What is your estimate of the likelihood of this goal actually coming to pass? Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #43

The same as the probability of a sane USSC. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #65

That's a brilliantly simple summation Orrex Aug 2021 #67

Sounds like a goal to get a lot of minorities in prison DVRacer Aug 2021 #58

I'd like to see a world where racism is irradicated and replaced by gunism. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #63

Feasible. I get your point. It's a pity.... paleotn Aug 2021 #52

LOL LiberatedUSA Aug 2021 #60

The idea is..... jaxexpat Aug 2021 #66

Your idea won't work with mainstream Democratic leaders. LiberatedUSA Aug 2021 #68

"Enact warrantless search liability on all registered gun owners." EX500rider Aug 2021 #79

You choose to own a gun, you choose to lose some civil rights. The choice is yours. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #82

That's not the way our system works MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #85

That's exactly how it works. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #92

I don't see where any of your examples are Constitutionally protected rights. nt EX500rider Aug 2021 #156

Thank you!!!! MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #159

lol, lets just throw the Bill of Rights in the trash for your crusade? No thanks. EX500rider Aug 2021 #86

People regularly brandish weapons in public. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #91

Brandishing weapons in public? MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #94

"Pools to guns? Really?" EX500rider Aug 2021 #103

Let's talk about that for a minute. LiberatedUSA Aug 2021 #97

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #98

Oh that's brilliant!!!! MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #84

"Shut down all private gun sales, manufacturers and ban gun imports." EX500rider Aug 2021 #89

The constitution does NOT provide citizens with the right to flaunt firearm carelessness. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #90

.... MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #93

Oh, I forgot. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #95

I challenge you to provide any post where I said that? MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #96

You are not a fan of the Bill of Rights are you? sarisataka Aug 2021 #99

Illuminate me. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #105

2nd, 4th, 5th and 6th sarisataka Aug 2021 #109

you're reaching, dude. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #112

And you're just another one who wants to shred the Constitution MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #113

I am, at this point, giving you the floor. I decline to respond further. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #115

Suit yourself, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #116

I'll give you the easiest one to figure out sarisataka Aug 2021 #117

My suggestion is that in order to own a gun one would knowingly waive some 4th amendment rights. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #158

You're the one that wrote this: MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #161

"So tell us just how the fuck are we to interpret that?" Well, since you asked nicely. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #164

And none of those existing parallels are protected Constitutional rights are they? MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #165

I find "hate speech" laws aggravating. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #168

It is a slippery slope to curb other rights, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #170

And.... MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #166

The Heller ruling was decided by a 5-4 ruling. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #169

It doesn't matter if it was a 5-4 ruling, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #171

You're beginning to look like a pretzel, my friend. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #172

How so? MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #173

More: MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #174

Agreed. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #176

We live with the system we got, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #178

You sure you want to imply 5-4 rulings don't count? LiberatedUSA Aug 2021 #177

it's not the numbers, man. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #180

It's pretty sad that you can't figure that out for yourself. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #111

Oh, Jesus. What a crock of shit. The thing that should be done is that the person Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #28

What you are proposing wouldn't work, for reasons that have already been pointed out. ShazzieB Aug 2021 #129

I like sporting guns, started trap & skeet shooting as a kid. I use the biometric safe Ziggysmom Aug 2021 #59

Second degree misdemeanor. Not good enough. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #64

You're right. I don't think anything can be done about it. Crunchy Frog Aug 2021 #142

Occasionally I look at the "Well-Regulated Militia" Twitter account The King of Prussia Aug 2021 #8

You know what is really ironic, gab13by13 Aug 2021 #13

A simple Maine Abu El Banat Aug 2021 #16

Even just not leaving a round in the chamber would have worked. EX500rider Aug 2021 #73

You could never enforce such a thing without an intolerable infringement of freedumb. Crunchy Frog Aug 2021 #145

Not saying this is one, but how many "unintentional" shootings by children really not unintentional? marie999 Aug 2021 #19

I don't know the stats but I would guess that there are far more cases of matricide and patricide by Tom Yossarian Joad Aug 2021 #22

And nothing will be done. [nt] Nexus2 Aug 2021 #21

I don't find this odd. twodogsbarking Aug 2021 #23

thoughts and prayers HAB911 Aug 2021 #25

To some of the commenters above; this has nothing to do with right-wingers and militias Tarc Aug 2021 #31

So progressives should just shrug our shoulders and pretend that this is not a problem that should Tom Yossarian Joad Aug 2021 #38

Please link to the post that said this had anything to do with right wingers or militias. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #45

#8, #13, #26 Tarc Aug 2021 #54

None of those in any way says this has anything to do with right wingers or militias. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #56

This went way over your head, I see Tarc Aug 2021 #182

Oooof greenjar_01 Aug 2021 #72

It has to do with gun fetishising loonies. Crunchy Frog Aug 2021 #146

The headline is so American. we should all be proud (sarcasm) dsp3000 Aug 2021 #34

Quick access lock boxes make great baby shower gifts. SYFROYH Aug 2021 #41

Excellent suggestion. Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #44

I find it interesting that the choice of names is associated with a pro 2A stance Tom Yossarian Joad Aug 2021 #53

I will now point out (yet) again that my username is asked on a silly 1960's comic book. Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #61

I think it means you're a hero because you have guns. Nt USALiberal Aug 2021 #153

I can't help what you think. I do have guns. I'm not a hero. Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #154

What you think and what is reality are two far different things. nt MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #162

There is a psychology that is crystal clear to the rest of us but that the gun freaks themselves Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #62

I don't know, and wouldn't associate with anyone like that. Crunchy Frog Aug 2021 #147

We give new parents all sorts of safety devices to help out. SYFROYH Aug 2021 #149

I'll leave it to the gun humper villagers to help their own. Crunchy Frog Aug 2021 #155

It was god's will. spike jones Aug 2021 #48

FFS... SidDithers Aug 2021 #71

I didn't think a toddler would have the strength to pull the trigger. grantcart Aug 2021 #88

Certainly wouldn't have the strength to work the slide so the idiot also left a round in the chamber EX500rider Aug 2021 #108

Sometimes I don't understand the dynamics of this board. Liberal In Texas Aug 2021 #100

Sorry, I missed your post and if I had seen it I would have posted in it and rec'd it. Tom Yossarian Joad Aug 2021 #102

It's not that as much as you wonder sometimes why something gets ignored and Liberal In Texas Aug 2021 #106

LOL... I have had similar experiences and have scratched my head. Tom Yossarian Joad Aug 2021 #107

I humbly assert that it was me. Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #122

Lol! nt ecstatic Aug 2021 #132

That does explain a lot of what happened this time. Liberal In Texas Aug 2021 #163

Sometimes it's not what's in the OP, Mr.Bill Aug 2021 #133

The Gungeon must not have noticed your post. Crunchy Frog Aug 2021 #148

Probably because no one suggested ripping up the Bill of Rights in that thread.. EX500rider Aug 2021 #175

Poor kid. (n/t) Iggo Aug 2021 #123

Post removed Post removed Aug 2021 #136

A negligent discharge by an adult, maybe even the mother herself. Crunchy Frog Aug 2021 #137

Threads like these UnderThisLaw Aug 2021 #138

I find it interesting that this gun related thread was allowed... LiberatedUSA Aug 2021 #157

"This place" has written down the rules. Tom Yossarian Joad Aug 2021 #160

Sure does. LiberatedUSA Aug 2021 #167