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krispos42

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25. They have a stake in their nation

Reply to AngryOldDem (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 09:18 AM

Aug 2021

The problem is that "nation" and"country" are not necessarily synonyms.

"Nation" is also tribal, cultural, and ethnic groups. They don't feel any allegiance to the country of Afghanistan. I think very few people there do feel that way there.

It takes a strong central government to make "nation" and "country" be the same thing, and that hasn't happened there and probably never will.

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