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In reply to the discussion: So Kabul has fallen...And so has Afghanistan. [View all]NJCher
(42,292 posts)34. +1000
There was no real plan, he just thought he'd just bask in some righteous WWII-style war-leader vibes.
that's how I see it, too.
One thing we might consider is that we spent $70 billion there. In a sense we tried to buy it a structured democracy and a culture where there was a degree of equality for women and minorities. To do so, the military had to be used to effect an environment where that could take place.
So they had a little taste of democracy, but too many of their most aggressive people want rule by religion and extreme religion at that. Their elections never rarely run in a satisfactory fashion, as this story from 2016 will tell: "Democracy in Disarray in Afghanistan; Disunity in the Unity Government."
http://southasiajournal.net/democratic-in-disarray-in-afghanistan-disunity-in-the-unity-government/
By 2019 voter turnout was 26%!
https://thediplomat.com/2019/10/is-democracy-dying-in-afghanistan/
There's just too much of this:

And there is no shortage of work for democracy that we need to take here at home:

that's how I see it, too.
One thing we might consider is that we spent $70 billion there. In a sense we tried to buy it a structured democracy and a culture where there was a degree of equality for women and minorities. To do so, the military had to be used to effect an environment where that could take place.
So they had a little taste of democracy, but too many of their most aggressive people want rule by religion and extreme religion at that. Their elections never rarely run in a satisfactory fashion, as this story from 2016 will tell: "Democracy in Disarray in Afghanistan; Disunity in the Unity Government."
http://southasiajournal.net/democratic-in-disarray-in-afghanistan-disunity-in-the-unity-government/
By 2019 voter turnout was 26%!
https://thediplomat.com/2019/10/is-democracy-dying-in-afghanistan/
There's just too much of this:

And there is no shortage of work for democracy that we need to take here at home:

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It does not matter who is in charge the culturally accepted sexual perversion will continue.
The Jungle 1
Aug 2021
#27
IIRC back before we invaded, the Taliban rigorously suppressed growing poppies for opium...
Hekate
Aug 2021
#39
Rusty, I'm pretty sure that a great many Afghans feel that the nation has been liberated.
panader0
Aug 2021
#8
Russia couldn't do it. The US couldn't do it. China/Iran want to be hegemonies, time to pony up.
TheBlackAdder
Aug 2021
#33
We cannot hope to bring democracy to anyone else until we secure it here at home.
Irish_Dem
Aug 2021
#10
I suggest you study some of the facts surrounding what that filthy culture also does to boys.
The Jungle 1
Aug 2021
#38