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In reply to the discussion: Please Think Back on When and Why We Went to Afghanistan [View all]BumRushDaShow
(164,702 posts)69. "See Trudeau/Canada, for one."
So how many ships and/or planes has Canada sent there since they apparently barely had something to evacuate their own embassy and managed to grab a "couple planeloads" of refugees, but are otherwise "monitoring" the situation.
August 13, 20216:18 PM EDT Last Updated 2 days ago
Asia Pacific
In desperation, U.S. scours for countries willing to house Afghan refugees
By Idrees Ali and Humeyra Pamuk, Jonathan Landay
WASHINGTON, Aug 13 (Reuters) - President Joe Biden's administration has been holding secret talks with more countries than previously known in a desperate attempt to secure deals to temporarily house at-risk Afghans who worked for the U.S. government, four U.S. officials told Reuters.
The previously unreported discussions with such countries as Kosovo and Albania underscore the administration's desire to protect U.S.-affiliated Afghans from Taliban reprisals while safely completing the process of approving their U.S. visas.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/desperation-us-scours-countries-willing-house-afghan-refugees-2021-08-13/
Asia Pacific
In desperation, U.S. scours for countries willing to house Afghan refugees
By Idrees Ali and Humeyra Pamuk, Jonathan Landay
WASHINGTON, Aug 13 (Reuters) - President Joe Biden's administration has been holding secret talks with more countries than previously known in a desperate attempt to secure deals to temporarily house at-risk Afghans who worked for the U.S. government, four U.S. officials told Reuters.
The previously unreported discussions with such countries as Kosovo and Albania underscore the administration's desire to protect U.S.-affiliated Afghans from Taliban reprisals while safely completing the process of approving their U.S. visas.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/desperation-us-scours-countries-willing-house-afghan-refugees-2021-08-13/
I am hearing the same sort of nonsensical arguments that were hurled against Obama when he was trying to move people out of Gitmo and getting someone to take them in, because no one wanted them "here" in the U.S., and Congress refused to fund what it would take to actually "logistically and legally close" the facility, and house the prisoners (those who were deemed truly "terrorists" ) here. In fact they even explicitly wrote legislation that stripped out the funding for him to do it.
I.e., it's like deja vu -
Funds to Close Guantánamo Denied
By David M. Herszenhorn
May 20, 2009
WASHINGTON - The Senate voted overwhelmingly on Wednesday to cut from a war spending bill the $80 million requested by President Obama to close the detention center at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and to bar the transfer of detainees to the United States and its territories. The vote, which complicates Mr. Obamas efforts to shutter the prison by his deadline of Jan. 22, 2010, was 90 to 6. Republicans voted unanimously in favor of cutting the money.
The American people dont want these men walking the streets of Americas neighborhoods, said Senator John Thune, Republican of South Dakota. The American people dont want these detainees held at a military base or federal prison in their back yard, either. The six Democrats who voted against the measure include some of their partys most prominent voices on military affairs and criminal justice issues. Among them were Senators Carl Levin of Michigan, the chairman of the Armed Services Committee; Jack Reed of Rhode Island, a West Point graduate and former Army Ranger, and Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee.
Senators Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the majority whip; Tom Harkin of Iowa and Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island were the others voting against the measure. The vote was on an amendment to a $91.3 billion military spending bill that will finance the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as some other national security programs, including preparations for pandemic flu, through Sept. 30.
The abrupt decision by Senate Democratic leaders to strip out the money for closing the Guantánamo detention center amounted to a strong rebuke of the Obama White House, which lawmakers in both parties have criticized for not providing a more detailed plan for what will be done with the 240 detainees currently held in the prison.
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21detain.html
By David M. Herszenhorn
May 20, 2009
WASHINGTON - The Senate voted overwhelmingly on Wednesday to cut from a war spending bill the $80 million requested by President Obama to close the detention center at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and to bar the transfer of detainees to the United States and its territories. The vote, which complicates Mr. Obamas efforts to shutter the prison by his deadline of Jan. 22, 2010, was 90 to 6. Republicans voted unanimously in favor of cutting the money.
The American people dont want these men walking the streets of Americas neighborhoods, said Senator John Thune, Republican of South Dakota. The American people dont want these detainees held at a military base or federal prison in their back yard, either. The six Democrats who voted against the measure include some of their partys most prominent voices on military affairs and criminal justice issues. Among them were Senators Carl Levin of Michigan, the chairman of the Armed Services Committee; Jack Reed of Rhode Island, a West Point graduate and former Army Ranger, and Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee.
Senators Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the majority whip; Tom Harkin of Iowa and Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island were the others voting against the measure. The vote was on an amendment to a $91.3 billion military spending bill that will finance the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as some other national security programs, including preparations for pandemic flu, through Sept. 30.
The abrupt decision by Senate Democratic leaders to strip out the money for closing the Guantánamo detention center amounted to a strong rebuke of the Obama White House, which lawmakers in both parties have criticized for not providing a more detailed plan for what will be done with the 240 detainees currently held in the prison.
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21detain.html
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All true, but my heart goes out to all of the service men and women who died for a
Firestorm49
Aug 2021
#4
Understood but Army staff schooling impressed on me the principle of sunk costs.
TomSlick
Aug 2021
#80
A reprersentative photo of the "nation builders" themselves; the "unitary executive" branch.
Evolve Dammit
Aug 2021
#82
What I remember are groups of people wearing camo and standing at stop lights waving flags and
jalan48
Aug 2021
#11
I'm sure part of why we were there so long is because everyone knew it would look like this
Sapient Donkey
Aug 2021
#124
"Congress unanimously agreed and voted to approve the Authorization for Military Force Resolution"
BumRushDaShow
Aug 2021
#118
lots of people still believe an operation as complex 9-11 was conceieved & controlled
KG
Aug 2021
#18
She must know that as of now, that progress is over. Back to the dark ages for all still there.
Evolve Dammit
Aug 2021
#87
There was a point in the history of Afghanistan when Buddhist temples were the norm.
littlemissmartypants
Aug 2021
#56
Al-Qaeda is still there and killing bin Laden was for revenge, it did not destroy al-Qaeda.
marie999
Aug 2021
#131
And think back to when the PNAC advocated an "imperial America" with an "imperial President"...
CaptainTruth
Aug 2021
#75
Agreed on all points. However, we could have done better on the withdrawal.
cayugafalls
Aug 2021
#78
Reagan was giving them weapons to fight the Soviets before I was even born
IronLionZion
Aug 2021
#84
I have every confidence that President Gore would have sent troops in as well...
brooklynite
Aug 2021
#91
Who sent troops to Afghanistan in the first place? ... Those who said we'd be out in a few
mzmolly
Aug 2021
#92
Not really...Kabul had some modern offices and women wearing modern dresses...
EX500rider
Aug 2021
#139
There wasn't any reason to attack Iraq unless you want to invade every country
marie999
Aug 2021
#133