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Straw Man

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183. Criminalized?
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 03:12 AM
Aug 2021

Last edited Mon Aug 16, 2021, 04:10 AM - Edit history (1)

They see a tragedy like this, like tragedies we have seen thousands of times before, and they do everything they can to move the subject away from the obvious: gun incidents like this need to be criminalized.

They already are: criminal negligence. But what do you do in cases where the the criminal is already dead, which is quite possibly the situation here? Look for somebody else to blame? That doesn't sound like justice to me. Maybe you have a different standard.

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I can't even imagine what this child will go through when they grow up and airmid Aug 2021 #1
The owner of the gun (the father) should be arrested for a felony murder/manslaughter offense. aeromanKC Aug 2021 #2
That would certainly be a step in the right direction. Tom Yossarian Joad Aug 2021 #3
This is exactly what needs to happen. Bluethroughu Aug 2021 #4
I'm not overly familiar with the laws in question, but wouldn't criminal negligence be the most Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #6
I assume you would prefer no charges! Nt USALiberal Aug 2021 #20
I assume you didn't read response #5! Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #30
Goodness gracious. LanternWaste Aug 2021 #57
If it is the most likely charge, that is a problem. That man murdered his wife and Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #27
I agree completely Ligyron Aug 2021 #50
It should be that, if your gun is used to kill someone, no matter who took it out or Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #70
That will never happen here. NutmegYankee Aug 2021 #74
Sure. Requiring responsibility is fascist. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #75
Our legal system does not hold someone responsible for another's actions. NutmegYankee Aug 2021 #76
Gosh. You brought that to thhe moronic "gun equals car" argument much faster than usual. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #78
So in other words, you can't defeat that point. NutmegYankee Aug 2021 #81
In this case, it's a solidly valid analogy. ShazzieB Aug 2021 #126
If they were able to take your gun, as opposed to any other kind of property, without Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #134
No gun lock is completely unbreakable, no safe uncrackable. NutmegYankee Aug 2021 #140
Because ... Straw Man Aug 2021 #179
Some states, mine included Mr.Bill Aug 2021 #131
I was referring the the theft discussion. NutmegYankee Aug 2021 #141
You are correct. Mr.Bill Aug 2021 #143
So... Jedi Guy Aug 2021 #77
Yep. Especially if the burgler is a toddler. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #80
Well, thanks for agreeing that you're not reasonable, at least... N/T Jedi Guy Aug 2021 #83
Wrong. Ligyron Aug 2021 #87
No. They are not prosecuted. But they should be. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #135
I love your ideas. LiberatedUSA Aug 2021 #184
Is it clear that he left the gun unsecured? Renew Deal Aug 2021 #32
Sure. Go with that. The gun was totally secure but the toddler was a criminal mastermind. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #37
Read again, slowly. Renew Deal Aug 2021 #39
Read again, slowly. There are gun freaks who jump into every one of these threads to tell everyone Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #42
Thank you for the speech. Renew Deal Aug 2021 #46
My wish for those people, though I know that it will never come true, is that they Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #47
That's nice. Now go throw a coin into a fountain. Renew Deal Aug 2021 #51
Again, how do they become people who respond this way? What warped them like that? Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #55
I can answer that! ShazzieB Aug 2021 #127
Either the father killed the mother, or the mother killed herself. Crunchy Frog Aug 2021 #139
Criminalized? Straw Man Aug 2021 #183
Exactly. ShazzieB Aug 2021 #128
It should be possible to determine who owns (or owned) the gun. thucythucy Aug 2021 #150
No one said that. treestar Aug 2021 #120
+1...nt SidDithers Aug 2021 #69
Realistically, what can be done? Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #5
The problem is these people live in fear, gab13by13 Aug 2021 #7
I'd enjoy quizzing your locals regarding the point of simply leaving loaded guns strewn about. Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #9
Thank you, gab13by13 Aug 2021 #12
In fairness, weapon lights are a standard accessory for handguns and most feature a strobe function. Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #17
We have family members that do that. Guns everywhere. JanMichael Aug 2021 #24
I have a gun on my bedside table. I've used it twice, so far. Rorey Aug 2021 #29
Realistically what can be done about anything once opponents block anything substantive? elias7 Aug 2021 #10
The time to act to change this country's attitude towards guns was the late 18th Century. Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #33
Like the father in this OP there are just too many stupid people in America that own guns. Tom Yossarian Joad Aug 2021 #11
Put him in jail. viva la Aug 2021 #14
The repair is simple. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #15
I presume by "simple" you don't mean "feasible". Your repair plan hasn't the slightest chance of Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #18
Gun zealots always insist that nothing can be done Orrex Aug 2021 #26
Honestly, it's monstrous. How do they live with themselves? How does a person become that? Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #35
Well... Jedi Guy Aug 2021 #101
Please estimate the chance of the agenda in post #15 coming to pass. Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #36
What do you propose as an alternative? Orrex Aug 2021 #49
Merely pointing out that the SCOTUS treestar Aug 2021 #121
I agree that it's a bullshit interpretation. Orrex Aug 2021 #124
"Heller...is one of the two worst decisions of the past half century, at least." Jedi Guy Aug 2021 #152
"Gun zealots always insist that nothing can be done" EX500rider Aug 2021 #104
I've had this discussion for decades Orrex Aug 2021 #110
I've had this discussion for decades EX500rider Aug 2021 #114
How do you suppose other nations have managed it? Orrex Aug 2021 #118
I bet the writers of the Constitution knew what they meant when they wrote it EX500rider Aug 2021 #119
Massive gun trafficking from their gun saturated neighbor. Crunchy Frog Aug 2021 #144
Common misperception EX500rider Aug 2021 #151
I don't see anyone saying nothing can be done. SYFROYH Aug 2021 #125
Gun zealots sure as shit aren't offering any suggestions Orrex Aug 2021 #130
So ... Straw Man Aug 2021 #181
It's a goal, hero. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #40
What is your estimate of the likelihood of this goal actually coming to pass? Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #43
The same as the probability of a sane USSC. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #65
That's a brilliantly simple summation Orrex Aug 2021 #67
Sounds like a goal to get a lot of minorities in prison DVRacer Aug 2021 #58
I'd like to see a world where racism is irradicated and replaced by gunism. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #63
Feasible. I get your point. It's a pity.... paleotn Aug 2021 #52
LOL LiberatedUSA Aug 2021 #60
The idea is..... jaxexpat Aug 2021 #66
Your idea won't work with mainstream Democratic leaders. LiberatedUSA Aug 2021 #68
"Enact warrantless search liability on all registered gun owners." EX500rider Aug 2021 #79
You choose to own a gun, you choose to lose some civil rights. The choice is yours. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #82
That's not the way our system works MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #85
That's exactly how it works. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #92
I don't see where any of your examples are Constitutionally protected rights. nt EX500rider Aug 2021 #156
Thank you!!!! MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #159
lol, lets just throw the Bill of Rights in the trash for your crusade? No thanks. EX500rider Aug 2021 #86
People regularly brandish weapons in public. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #91
Brandishing weapons in public? MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #94
"Pools to guns? Really?" EX500rider Aug 2021 #103
Let's talk about that for a minute. LiberatedUSA Aug 2021 #97
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #98
Oh that's brilliant!!!! MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #84
"Shut down all private gun sales, manufacturers and ban gun imports." EX500rider Aug 2021 #89
The constitution does NOT provide citizens with the right to flaunt firearm carelessness. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #90
.... MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #93
Oh, I forgot. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #95
I challenge you to provide any post where I said that? MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #96
You are not a fan of the Bill of Rights are you? sarisataka Aug 2021 #99
Illuminate me. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #105
2nd, 4th, 5th and 6th sarisataka Aug 2021 #109
you're reaching, dude. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #112
And you're just another one who wants to shred the Constitution MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #113
I am, at this point, giving you the floor. I decline to respond further. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #115
Suit yourself, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #116
I'll give you the easiest one to figure out sarisataka Aug 2021 #117
My suggestion is that in order to own a gun one would knowingly waive some 4th amendment rights. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #158
You're the one that wrote this: MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #161
"So tell us just how the fuck are we to interpret that?" Well, since you asked nicely. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #164
And none of those existing parallels are protected Constitutional rights are they? MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #165
I find "hate speech" laws aggravating. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #168
It is a slippery slope to curb other rights, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #170
And.... MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #166
The Heller ruling was decided by a 5-4 ruling. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #169
It doesn't matter if it was a 5-4 ruling, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #171
You're beginning to look like a pretzel, my friend. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #172
How so? MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #173
More: MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #174
Agreed. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #176
We live with the system we got, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #178
You sure you want to imply 5-4 rulings don't count? LiberatedUSA Aug 2021 #177
it's not the numbers, man. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #180
It's pretty sad that you can't figure that out for yourself. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #111
Oh, Jesus. What a crock of shit. The thing that should be done is that the person Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #28
What you are proposing wouldn't work, for reasons that have already been pointed out. ShazzieB Aug 2021 #129
I like sporting guns, started trap & skeet shooting as a kid. I use the biometric safe Ziggysmom Aug 2021 #59
Second degree misdemeanor. Not good enough. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #64
You're right. I don't think anything can be done about it. Crunchy Frog Aug 2021 #142
Occasionally I look at the "Well-Regulated Militia" Twitter account The King of Prussia Aug 2021 #8
You know what is really ironic, gab13by13 Aug 2021 #13
A simple Maine Abu El Banat Aug 2021 #16
Even just not leaving a round in the chamber would have worked. EX500rider Aug 2021 #73
You could never enforce such a thing without an intolerable infringement of freedumb. Crunchy Frog Aug 2021 #145
Not saying this is one, but how many "unintentional" shootings by children really not unintentional? marie999 Aug 2021 #19
I don't know the stats but I would guess that there are far more cases of matricide and patricide by Tom Yossarian Joad Aug 2021 #22
And nothing will be done. [nt] Nexus2 Aug 2021 #21
I don't find this odd. twodogsbarking Aug 2021 #23
thoughts and prayers HAB911 Aug 2021 #25
To some of the commenters above; this has nothing to do with right-wingers and militias Tarc Aug 2021 #31
So progressives should just shrug our shoulders and pretend that this is not a problem that should Tom Yossarian Joad Aug 2021 #38
Please link to the post that said this had anything to do with right wingers or militias. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #45
#8, #13, #26 Tarc Aug 2021 #54
None of those in any way says this has anything to do with right wingers or militias. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #56
This went way over your head, I see Tarc Aug 2021 #182
Oooof greenjar_01 Aug 2021 #72
It has to do with gun fetishising loonies. Crunchy Frog Aug 2021 #146
The headline is so American. we should all be proud (sarcasm) dsp3000 Aug 2021 #34
Quick access lock boxes make great baby shower gifts. SYFROYH Aug 2021 #41
Excellent suggestion. Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #44
I find it interesting that the choice of names is associated with a pro 2A stance Tom Yossarian Joad Aug 2021 #53
I will now point out (yet) again that my username is asked on a silly 1960's comic book. Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #61
I think it means you're a hero because you have guns. Nt USALiberal Aug 2021 #153
I can't help what you think. I do have guns. I'm not a hero. Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #154
What you think and what is reality are two far different things. nt MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2021 #162
There is a psychology that is crystal clear to the rest of us but that the gun freaks themselves Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #62
I don't know, and wouldn't associate with anyone like that. Crunchy Frog Aug 2021 #147
We give new parents all sorts of safety devices to help out. SYFROYH Aug 2021 #149
I'll leave it to the gun humper villagers to help their own. Crunchy Frog Aug 2021 #155
It was god's will. spike jones Aug 2021 #48
FFS... SidDithers Aug 2021 #71
I didn't think a toddler would have the strength to pull the trigger. grantcart Aug 2021 #88
Certainly wouldn't have the strength to work the slide so the idiot also left a round in the chamber EX500rider Aug 2021 #108
Sometimes I don't understand the dynamics of this board. Liberal In Texas Aug 2021 #100
Sorry, I missed your post and if I had seen it I would have posted in it and rec'd it. Tom Yossarian Joad Aug 2021 #102
It's not that as much as you wonder sometimes why something gets ignored and Liberal In Texas Aug 2021 #106
LOL... I have had similar experiences and have scratched my head. Tom Yossarian Joad Aug 2021 #107
I humbly assert that it was me. Dial H For Hero Aug 2021 #122
Lol! nt ecstatic Aug 2021 #132
That does explain a lot of what happened this time. Liberal In Texas Aug 2021 #163
Sometimes it's not what's in the OP, Mr.Bill Aug 2021 #133
The Gungeon must not have noticed your post. Crunchy Frog Aug 2021 #148
Probably because no one suggested ripping up the Bill of Rights in that thread.. EX500rider Aug 2021 #175
Poor kid. (n/t) Iggo Aug 2021 #123
Post removed Post removed Aug 2021 #136
A negligent discharge by an adult, maybe even the mother herself. Crunchy Frog Aug 2021 #137
Threads like these UnderThisLaw Aug 2021 #138
I find it interesting that this gun related thread was allowed... LiberatedUSA Aug 2021 #157
"This place" has written down the rules. Tom Yossarian Joad Aug 2021 #160
Sure does. LiberatedUSA Aug 2021 #167
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