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Jon King

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12. Still we need to know why the intelligence was this awful.

Mon Aug 16, 2021, 10:10 AM

Aug 2021

All of this is true, but the huge question is who was giving Biden the intel he used when he said on July 9th that the Taliban would not take over the entire country.

This war is over but we need to know how our intelligence is failing our decision makers.

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Afghanistan: "No more pretending it meant anything. It didn't - It didn't mean a fucking thing" [View all] kpete Aug 2021 OP

It was the vehicle that enabled us to get bin Laden, and dismantle AQ's JohnSJ Aug 2021 #1

It didn't do that. Voltaire2 Aug 2021 #4

Yes it did. It pushed him out of Afghanistan, and provided vital intelligence JohnSJ Aug 2021 #8

correct azureblue Aug 2021 #13

Truth! Jay25 Aug 2021 #39

No I don't forget, they were the mujahideen, and it was Reagan's wet dream. To deny that bin laden JohnSJ Aug 2021 #68

al Qaeda did have its initial training camps there. Texin Aug 2021 #16

I doubt our invasion of Afghanistan helped anything or anybody except the Bushes and Cheneys. yardwork Aug 2021 #67

and the defense contractors - who made $1,000,000,000,000 (trillon) dollars - n/t Locrian Aug 2021 #77

I used "Bushes and Cheneys" as shorthand for the contractors. yardwork Aug 2021 #79

Cheney's company Halliburton was awarded no bid contracts for the wars. panader0 Aug 2021 #80

Never. Not with Fox News and all the other propaganda. yardwork Aug 2021 #82

War is a racket; supplying freedom and democracy is the play; taxpayers are the marks; Magoo48 Aug 2021 #81

Thanks so much for sharing this, kpete. littlemissmartypants Aug 2021 #2

Huge K&R secondwind Aug 2021 #3

Beautiful thread greenjar_01 Aug 2021 #5

Of course it didn't. Treefrog Aug 2021 #6

A cross post from earlier this A.M. usaf-vet Aug 2021 #41

And for 8 years zipplewrath Aug 2021 #64

It meant billions to the Capitalists - Remember Reagan's "Greed is Good!" walkingman Aug 2021 #7

I don't think he ever said those exact words RVN VET71 Aug 2021 #47

Another Viet Nam. colorado_ufo Aug 2021 #9

this one line, just gut punched me so hard.... FM123 Aug 2021 #10

K & R...nt Wounded Bear Aug 2021 #11

Still we need to know why the intelligence was this awful. Jon King Aug 2021 #12

The intelligence is only as good dianaredwing Aug 2021 #38

I think Biden knew this would happen, though perhaps not so quickly Martin Eden Aug 2021 #48

Thanks for finding and posting for us here at DU. 7wo7rees Aug 2021 #14

War is a Racket should be read by everybody! burrowowl Aug 2021 #74

Required reading for high school degree. 7wo7rees Aug 2021 #86

Shades of Vietnam, where the grunts often said, PatrickforB Aug 2021 #15

It did mean a lot of money into the pockets of the guys who built the weapons ashredux Aug 2021 #17

Vietnam redux ashredux Aug 2021 #18

This: It's Team Taliban or Team Stay Forever, there is no third team CrispyQ Aug 2021 #19

And Team US was subject to leaving when the next Vietnamistan breaks out. marble falls Aug 2021 #28

I do not understand... The Jungle 1 Aug 2021 #20

Not surprised even a little bit... Moostache Aug 2021 #23

History has repeated itself that is clear. The Jungle 1 Aug 2021 #29

How many times do we have to learn this? brush Aug 2021 #37

It didn't collapse in one week greenjar_01 Aug 2021 #24

We were used all they did was collect a trillion dollar paycheck. The Jungle 1 Aug 2021 #76

No question...a bunch of Americans got ultra rich off this shit greenjar_01 Aug 2021 #78

Follow the money. Those are the ones that need a rope. Moscow's Mitch made his fortune during ... marble falls Aug 2021 #26

Looks like from RMs reporting Putin's Whore started dismantling forces 1.5 yrs ago uponit7771 Aug 2021 #75

Yeah, my daughter was deployed there in 2005-2006 I think it was ismnotwasm Aug 2021 #21

well the Taliban bdamomma Aug 2021 #27

It's a complete shit show ismnotwasm Aug 2021 #34

I hope she returned to civilian life well, after readjusting electric_blue68 Aug 2021 #59

She's a special education teacher ismnotwasm Aug 2021 #84

Glad to know she's doing well, and doing good. 👍 Yw electric_blue68 Aug 2021 #85

It don't mean nothin', not a thing. marble falls Aug 2021 #22

The Taliban is just another bright shining example Mr. Evil Aug 2021 #25

American Taliban Martin Eden Aug 2021 #50

We should have been out when bin Laden got whacked Warpy Aug 2021 #30

We eventually found bin Laden. marie999 Aug 2021 #36

Not quite the point Warpy Aug 2021 #43

Americans will do some pulling back of the curtains which have shrouded their soul for so long. jaxexpat Aug 2021 #31

Just another place to rape cilla4progress Aug 2021 #32

Thanks for posting this, kpete. This should be read aloud tonight on every television channel by a LaMouffette Aug 2021 #33

I hope Ms. Jedeed writes a book or goes on a lecture tour. Boomerproud Aug 2021 #35

All the result of the PNAC dream of an "imperial America"... CaptainTruth Aug 2021 #40

Exactly. When Ken Lay had his own office in the WH laying out maps of the oil fields... Evolve Dammit Aug 2021 #53

It meant plenty to the Republican politicians both as a war drum to rally their party base around as cstanleytech Aug 2021 #42

Our politicians have been eager to fight the bogeymen of communism and socialism Lonestarblue Aug 2021 #44

You just made me think of a new way to view republi-CONS. calimary Aug 2021 #45

Yes, birds of a feather ranting about imaginary crises and ignoring real ones. Lonestarblue Aug 2021 #49

Time for a template check: Mopar151 Aug 2021 #56

Indeed. calimary Aug 2021 #83

Thank you kpete DENVERPOPS Aug 2021 #46

What these past 20 years have meant to Afghans and their culture is not something Hortensis Aug 2021 #51

"We use people up and throw them away like it's nothing." Excellent insight. Thanks kpete Evolve Dammit Aug 2021 #52

Allen Fu____g Dulles, defined Mopar151 Aug 2021 #57

This is incredibly powerful. I hope Laura Jedeed finds a writing gig, or writes a book... Hekate Aug 2021 #54

Powerful and moving. ancianita Aug 2021 #55

Stunning. thucythucy Aug 2021 #58

Our soldiers have the greatest respect. They go where the CIC tells them to go. They did their job rockfordfile Aug 2021 #60

Thank you for posting this, kpete. nt crickets Aug 2021 #61

History rumleyfips Aug 2021 #62

OMG Alice Kramden Aug 2021 #63

Being age 73 and living thru Vietnam and losing a best friend to that bullshit war MOMFUDSKI Aug 2021 #65

an old saying milan755803 Aug 2021 #66

I beg to differ. We needed to root Al Qaeda out of Afghanistan. But then we let our ambitions and Martin68 Aug 2021 #69

Why must we be the world's morality police? Moebym Aug 2021 #72

Except, of course: $$$$ peppertree Aug 2021 #70

Could this be a turning point in American foreign policy? Aussie105 Aug 2021 #71

Great Post! burrowowl Aug 2021 #73