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crickets

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20. Great article, babylonsister.
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 09:10 PM
Aug 2021

It clearly lays out Biden's reasoning. Unlike the generals, Biden learned the lesson about nation building in Afghanistan. He knew what they did not want to admit: that we were wasting our time, resources, and personnel. It was time to go. Good for him for standing firm and getting us out of there.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/17/us/politics/biden-afghanistan-withdrawal.html

There would be no conditions put on the withdrawal, Mr. Biden told the men, cutting off the last thread — one that had worked with Mr. Trump — and that Mr. Austin and General Milley hoped could stave off a full drawdown.

They were told, Zero meant zero.

In that moment, the war — which had been debated across four presidents, prosecuted with thousands of commando raids, cost 2,400 American fatalities and 20,000 injured, with progress never quite being made — began its final chapter. It will be over, Mr. Biden has promised, by the 20th anniversary of the attacks that stunned the world and led to more than 13,000 airstrikes.

How this last chapter of the American adventure in Afghanistan will end is a story that remains to be written.


Apologies that this article is behind a paywall. It also does an excellent job in laying out Biden's reasons for leaving.

As for the chaos over the past weekend, indications are that those who say they didn't know should have had an inkling that there would be no 'decent interval' with Afghanistan.

See the Afghanistan Papers:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/investigations/afghanistan-papers/documents-database/

That said, even those who knew the Taliban would take over soon were caught flat-footed by how quickly the army and the government melted away. Ghani's own people were taken by surprise that he fled so quickly. Shame and blame for that is on Ghani, and no fault of Biden at all.

I suspect that the tight timeline was to reduce the chance of the OnDoutside Aug 2021 #1
Or... 2naSalit Aug 2021 #8
i think this was a blunder and a lot of people have died who didn't need to samsingh Aug 2021 #16
Leave now or leave later; the outcome would be the same. maxsolomon Aug 2021 #18
It is in the personal financial interests of the generals to continue the bullshit war dalton99a Aug 2021 #2
The generals did a terrible job of multigraincracker Aug 2021 #5
You can't give people the will to fight. Happy Hoosier Aug 2021 #22
General Patreaus was called General Betray-us by many of the troops - haele Aug 2021 #6
But he's the second coming of Ulysses Grant/John Pershing/George Marshall/Dwight Eisenhower dalton99a Aug 2021 #9
Almost all of the troops were already pulled out by the Slobfather last year. Greybnk48 Aug 2021 #3
How long did you want us to remain there? former9thward Aug 2021 #7
+1 peppertree Aug 2021 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Greybnk48 Aug 2021 #4
"We have not thought through our strategic goals!" peppertree Aug 2021 #10
That's it, in a nutshell bucolic_frolic Aug 2021 #13
Thanks. It is what it is. peppertree Aug 2021 #15
+1 crickets Aug 2021 #19
Bookmarking this. A good historical review - and refresher course. calimary Aug 2021 #12
The generals always want more troops. totodeinhere Aug 2021 #14
The generals are experts on HOW to FIGHT a war Martin Eden Aug 2021 #17
Great article, babylonsister. crickets Aug 2021 #20
Biden and Hillary had starkly different opinions on the surge Polybius Aug 2021 #21
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