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In reply to the discussion: So Monica Lewinsky is cashing in [View all]BoycottTimHortons
(36 posts)214. Sure, Jan.
Youre engaging in doublespeak. Between your acknowledgment that the affair was consensual (which you really cant argue otherwise), you scoff at the notion of Monica bearing any degree of accountability and liken her to women who had unwanted advances made toward them at work by their boss. Its rather transparent, I must say.
And she is most certainly entitled to monetize the legacy of the scandal however she sees fit. She just loses all credibility when she still moans about being defined by the affair, because she obviously doesnt mind that as long as its only on her terms. Especially when she attempts to disingenuously insert herself into the MeToo narrative while making or retweeting blowjob jokes.
demonstrating the falsity of your claim that she wasn't held responsible over Clinton).
Once again, youre putting words in my mouth. I never claimed she suffered no fallout from the affair being made a public matter. Youre willfully taking my comments out of context now. I respect (but still wholeheartedly disagree) with your perspective, however I do not respect your dishonest misrepresentation of my argument. Your continued insistence on doing so makes it hard for me to respect you on this matter, because you prove yourself incapable of rebutting against the actual points that were made, so you resort to creating strawmen. Which is a testament to how tenuous your side of the argument is.
As for your moralizing, I hope your contempt for women who have affairs is visited upon men who have done the same.
Yeah, you couldve figured that one out if you took the time to actually read my post instead of reacting emotionally, youd see I came out the gate placing the brunt of the blame on Clinton.
There is no liability for having an affair. It's a personal and family transgression, not a legal one.
Cool, so you agree that portraying Monica as the little red riding hood to big bad wolf Bill is a mendacious reframing of the story, correct?
I'm going to assume that you've never so much as lusted in your heart, given your determination of those who have had affairs, meaning the great majority of the population, as "liable," including Democratic heroes such as FDR, RFK, and JFK.
Oh please, save it. You've never so much as lusted in your heart, now lusting is tantamount to actually acting on those desires even in the most inappropriate of contexts? The faux sanctimony seems entirely personal on your behalf on this point. Were you ever a third party to an extramarital affair? If so, it certainly explains your stance on this.
I dont make heroes out of politicians or people in general, so whatever gotcha moment you were attempting to cultivate here isnt happening, sorry. Adultery is trashy, equally for both sexes, sorry if that bothers you too. Doubly so when youre willing to jeopardize an almighty job title for it (especially when youre far too old to behave like an impulsive, idiotic teenager), and ditto for when you want to evade accountability by framing yourself as a victim when it suits you. No sexist double standards over here... unlike some people in this thread.
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Her entire life has been derailed by something stupid she did when she was 22.
meadowlander
Aug 2021
#9
I'm going to go out on a limb and bet Hillary has LONG since moved on from that.
Treefrog
Aug 2021
#177
Whatever. She dsn't seem to feel any shame but she shouldnt subject the clintons to.
onetexan
Aug 2021
#181
Yes, but this thread is about whether or not Monica Lewinsky has the right to talk about it
meadowlander
Aug 2021
#88
She was bullied and shamed in public for years to the point where she was suicidal,
meadowlander
Aug 2021
#129
She was always reassuring. 'He would never cheat on you, Kate. He loves you so much."
Percy
Aug 2021
#236
I heard her say Linda Tripp was the one who convinced her to save the dress.
Maraya1969
Aug 2021
#27
Oh...yeahhhh... Lucianne Goldberg. A name I haven't heard in a very long time, or remembered!
electric_blue68
Aug 2021
#218
First of all, I don't give a damn . That was Bill Clinton's private life so a big who cares.
Demsrule86
Aug 2021
#17
That was years ago...I doubt Hillary gives a damn. A big who cares. I won't watch it...
Demsrule86
Aug 2021
#14
That well-known radical, fire-breathing right-winger . . . uh . . . Ryan Murphy n/t
Sympthsical
Aug 2021
#90
Monica was dragged through the mud. She actually moved to Europe to get away
Maraya1969
Aug 2021
#26
Maybe they love each other. Some married people do, even if their spouses are flawed.
tblue37
Aug 2021
#110
I am absolutely shocked to find people still attacking Monica Lewinsky and defending Bill Clinton
greenjar_01
Aug 2021
#69
I really hate it when I see Democrats acting mean like Republicans. We are better than that!
Maraya1969
Aug 2021
#38
All of this! And I would LOVE to see the "Ken Starr is a rape enabler" Netflix series.
Scrivener7
Aug 2021
#124
I gotta admit. I didn't give 2 shits at the time (the whole circus that came after, not the loss of
Carlitos Brigante
Sep 2021
#260
She can tell her side of the story. You know -- that freedom of speech thingy?
left-of-center2012
Aug 2021
#70
Great point about her thwarting Starr. And sadly, the sexism seems to be coming from women.
Scrivener7
Aug 2021
#115
He was the most powerful man in the world at that time. He shudda just kept her out of the White
CTyankee
Aug 2021
#101
I'm sure she was thinking dreams of glory. But he could have put a stop to her advances early on.
CTyankee
Aug 2021
#158
See post 85 for answers to part of this. She was young, she was foolish. She had a
Scrivener7
Aug 2021
#122
"She had sex with a married man. Do you consider all women who have done that culpable?"
BoycottTimHortons
Aug 2021
#190
She never changed her story about what happened but her interpretation has evolved as she's matured.
femmedem
Aug 2021
#154
How convenient for her. In the interim, the "power differential" theory has sprung up
pnwmom
Aug 2021
#170
I do not believe that she has ever said that her ptsd stemmed directly from gross abuse of power.
femmedem
Aug 2021
#172
third affair? I didn't pay super attention to the whole thing. I don't even remember...
electric_blue68
Aug 2021
#221
not your average action, but maybe that was influence from Linda Tripp
electric_blue68
Aug 2021
#133
I don't think it was ever about Hillary. It was Bill and Monica making their own choices.
jalan48
Aug 2021
#176
Poor Hillary has endured enough, but that's Bill's fault, not Monica's. n/t
totodeinhere
Aug 2021
#198
People forget that although Clinton was complicit, it was Lewinski that pursued him....
George II
Aug 2021
#200
Nothing I said was addressed by you, including me saying CLINTON WAS COMPLICIT! Did you miss that?
George II
Aug 2021
#203
No one said they are allowed. Period. So what were you saying about "shifting"?
George II
Aug 2021
#205
In what way did I say that? You're doing it again wellst0nev0ter, saying I said something I didn't.
George II
Aug 2021
#209
Interesting. You've made four posts in the last 28 days, all four directed toward me. Wha?
George II
Aug 2021
#255
I'm sure there is a lot about her life and perspective you don't understand.
Cuthbert Allgood
Aug 2021
#225