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32. The thing holding Cuba is our embargo!

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Fri Oct 19, 2012, 05:56 AM

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Fidel Castro is near a neurovegetative state from a stroke. Good. [View all] DonRedwood Oct 2012 OP

Will that be the morning headline? Castro Dead Lint Head Oct 2012 #1

Reallly? I think you might be disappointed flamingdem Oct 2012 #2

Capitalism is the worst system, except for all of the others (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #3

+1 hrmjustin Oct 2012 #8

Really? Want to compare Cuba to Haiti? Marr Oct 2012 #93

Better medical care too. alarimer Oct 2012 #129

Without the embargo? obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #135

link to miami harald DonRedwood Oct 2012 #4

You're saying they let you rent a car in car-starved Cuba? CreekDog Oct 2012 #82

Cstro is harder to kill than a cockroach. deaniac21 Oct 2012 #5

Same dude that spends his life claiming that Hugo Chavez is dying from cancer.. flamingdem Oct 2012 #6

I am not a Castro fan by any measure bluestateguy Oct 2012 #7

"And the embargo is an outdated Cold War relic that should be repealed." KansDem Oct 2012 #29

I remeber in 1999(?) seeing all those hardline anti-Cuba congresscritters Blue_Tires Oct 2012 #96

The 'chains of communism?' leftstreet Oct 2012 #9

ha ha It's so retro, and irrelevant, the Cubans are tremendous NATIONALISTS n/t flamingdem Oct 2012 #17

I didn't say they weren't...but i did not meet a single person who liked castro DonRedwood Oct 2012 #20

"And they weren't afraid to say it." Scootaloo Oct 2012 #21

Yeah I noticed that too...in fact, the OP says they were getting arrested for saying it CreekDog Oct 2012 #85

They weren't afraid to say it? aquart Oct 2012 #22

"They weren't afraid to say it," but their spirits are "broken" because castro has "sucked the life HiPointDem Oct 2012 #25

no kidding arely staircase Oct 2012 #62

Wait -- you think Castro is an oppressive dictator obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #60

They didn't feel free enough to start a political party and oppose him in an election. nt hack89 Oct 2012 #119

Which is a nice huge scarecrow obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #134

But it is perfectly true hack89 Oct 2012 #141

Cuba has at least 10 political parties 0rganism Oct 2012 #156

" No party is permitted to campaign or endorse candidates for election" hack89 Oct 2012 #157

"including the Communist Party" 0rganism Oct 2012 #160

Because candidates are chosen not elected. hack89 Oct 2012 #161

why not post the link to your source? 0rganism Oct 2012 #166

There is nothing there that points at free and open elections hack89 Oct 2012 #175

Are you refering to that intra-union fight hack89 Oct 2012 #162

yes, you "supported" the scab union 0rganism Oct 2012 #167

It was not a scab union - it was merely the union you didn't support. nt hack89 Oct 2012 #174

They were scabs. You're anti-union leftstreet Oct 2012 #196

I support unions hack89 Oct 2012 #197

so much for freedom of speech... magical thyme Oct 2012 #68

Stick around - it's election time so all the normally quiet TBF Oct 2012 #45

Well, I DO feel enlightened... Scootaloo Oct 2012 #88

Well, that was tacky. And maudlin. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2012 #10

Well, they kept re-electing Castro for some reason. Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #11

I remember watching all the Cuban presidential debates ... oh wait hack89 Oct 2012 #48

Me too and what the OP lacks is an explanation for why the police do what they do flamingdem Oct 2012 #14

+1 crunch60 Oct 2012 #26

Don't forget the legacy of US terrorism in Cuba. I mean that was what I first thought of Puregonzo1188 Oct 2012 #70

"May Cuba break free from the chains of communism" Scootaloo Oct 2012 #12

+1 Don't forget Cuba's national healthcare. Where's ours? leftstreet Oct 2012 #16

"Comminism" KansDem Oct 2012 #38

Amen to that. hifiguy Oct 2012 #65

lift the embargo and Cubans will do just fine Adenoid_Hynkel Oct 2012 #13

I agree. When attacking Cuba one is basically siding with the worst right wing and exploitative flamingdem Oct 2012 #15

+1,000 malaise Oct 2012 #31

100% this obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #61

Exactly right! nt crunch60 Oct 2012 #27

And that's why it won't be lifted. Marr Oct 2012 #95

Exactly. That has always been the biggest problem. Not Castro. n/t vaberella Oct 2012 #111

his death would be about as relevant as these cliches Enrique Oct 2012 #18

Very wrong! His death will be a huge symbolic moment for Latin America flamingdem Oct 2012 #19

+1 graham4anything Oct 2012 #28

Let us try to recall how happy we were when Batista ran Cuba. aquart Oct 2012 #23

^^^ Recommended!!! KansDem Oct 2012 #33

TY! For giving the details I couldn't. aquart Oct 2012 #100

Godfather II actually gives a good background on this obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #103

So they traded one authoritarian leader for another hack89 Oct 2012 #105

Yes, dear. That's what they did. aquart Oct 2012 #109

Free and open multi-party elections after a post revolution transition period. hack89 Oct 2012 #115

We have that. Yet no national healthcare leftstreet Oct 2012 #138

That's your measure of freedom? hack89 Oct 2012 #139

You're the one trying to talk about 'freedom' leftstreet Oct 2012 #148

Watching DUrs rationalize single party authoritarian government is so funny. hack89 Oct 2012 #151

We're an enigma, the rest of the wetern democracies have universal health care Hippo_Tron Oct 2012 #198

"The Enemy of my Enemy" is sometimes my Enemy... brooklynite Oct 2012 #193

You are a person who has absolutely no inclination as to the history of Cuba. vaberella Oct 2012 #112

Batista ruled for seven years, Castro for 60. hack89 Oct 2012 #116

And during Batista's time --- he killed 20,000 Cubans. vaberella Oct 2012 #125

So it was impossible for Castro to implement multiparty democracy hack89 Oct 2012 #127

Communists were immensely helpful in the industrial union movement in the U.S. amborin Oct 2012 #24

I thought travel to Cuba was "illegal" for Americans? KansDem Oct 2012 #30

I think most go to Canada, then fly down. I been there two times, B Calm Oct 2012 #34

Thanks for the info KansDem Oct 2012 #37

You can buy Cuban cigars in Canada. B Calm Oct 2012 #39

My sister lives in Coeur d'Alene KansDem Oct 2012 #40

Yeah, if you can afford them. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2012 #78

Americans travel to Cuba through the Bahamas Kolesar Oct 2012 #80

The thing holding Cuba is our embargo! B Calm Oct 2012 #32

Running out of corn nut stories, Snoutport? Starry Messenger Oct 2012 #35

.... TBF Oct 2012 #46

Good morning, TBF! Starry Messenger Oct 2012 #57

That is a really good point obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #58

That's the name I was trying to remember! REP Oct 2012 #89

Very interesting thread obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #92

And fruit leather! nt. Starry Messenger Oct 2012 #97

Ah, jeez. The Cuban people need to live in a cesspool of predatory capitalism like we do because Skidmore Oct 2012 #36

And he has a beard. H2O Man Oct 2012 #41

... and "dark eyes" too! n/t KoKo Oct 2012 #182

The CIA made H2O Man Oct 2012 #185

That's priceless... KoKo Oct 2012 #190

it must be terrible for the people to have access to low cost health care quinnox Oct 2012 #42

That explains why so many Americans try to ride to Cuba on inner tubes (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #72

irrelevent n/t quinnox Oct 2012 #73

Fidel didn't let USA rape Cuba Welcome_hubby Oct 2012 #43

No - he turned it into the Soviet Union's lap dog instead. nt hack89 Oct 2012 #49

That ONLY happened because of the US's cold shoulder obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #63

Perhaps. hack89 Oct 2012 #66

I'm just going to come right out and ask. Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #74

I think that one is a gungeoneer quinnox Oct 2012 #75

Considering 40% of Democrats own guns hack89 Oct 2012 #163

No - a die in the wool Democrat from a long line of blue collar Democrats hack89 Oct 2012 #77

So In Other Words..... Paladin Oct 2012 #84

I oppose any sanctions on Cuba hack89 Oct 2012 #87

but it's only guns and sometimes taxes that you get really animated about CreekDog Oct 2012 #91

But guns are not a purely RW issue so I don't see your point hack89 Oct 2012 #94

So Casto would have rejected single party rule with some American love and money? hack89 Oct 2012 #118

Another scarecrow obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #136

You are the one rationalizing authoritarian one party rule hack89 Oct 2012 #140

No. America did that---no idea of the history then don't talk about it. n/t vaberella Oct 2012 #113

So America force Cuba to send it's armies to fight in Africa? hack89 Oct 2012 #117

and of course the US policy of burying Cuba has nothing to do with anything CBGLuthier Oct 2012 #44

Hmmm. I seem to recall the Cuban people were just as bad off before Castro... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #47

Does that mean we can lift the stupid fucking embargo? Iggo Oct 2012 #50

LOL! TransitJohn Oct 2012 #51

The heirs of Fulgencio Batista thank you for your support. GliderGuider Oct 2012 #52

I bet nobody died in Cuba because they couldn't afford to see a doctor about a dental abscess. jsr Oct 2012 #53

Castro will die in old age. I don't get the celebrating. He kinda won. Zen Democrat Oct 2012 #54

Also, the 1960s called and said they want quinnox Oct 2012 #55

Our Stupid Blockade Has Kept Castro In Power For Decades. Paladin Oct 2012 #56

I find your OP header extrememly inappropriate obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #59

Last I checked the Cold War was over GObamaGO Oct 2012 #64

Gee. Stay classy. Zoeisright Oct 2012 #67

Thread title in extremely poor taste...n/t CorBlimeyGuvnor Oct 2012 #69

I believe it's the meanest title I've ever seen on DU. Prometheus Bound Oct 2012 #99

I agree. n/t vaberella Oct 2012 #114

you were in the USSR before the mid-80s? CreekDog Oct 2012 #71

May Cuba break free from the stranglehold of the United States. Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #76

Yup...+1 joeybee12 Oct 2012 #79

Paging Mika -- Hell Hath No Fury Oct 2012 #81

Teachers can afford month-long foreign vacations now? LeftyMom Oct 2012 #83

The Mafia ruined Youngstown Kolesar Oct 2012 #86

I love your stories, you really seem to bounce around the world CreekDog Oct 2012 #90

How many products made in Red China have you bought this week? Dr Fate Oct 2012 #98

That's an excellent insight. And, thanks for posting it. KoKo Oct 2012 #181

The 50's called, they want their overblown, fearmongering rhetoric back. 2ndAmForComputers Oct 2012 #101

best comment! flamingdem Oct 2012 #104

There is always a helluva storm in that little teapot upi402 Oct 2012 #107

Castro's status is immaterial. He is not a factor that matters in politics. LiberalFighter Oct 2012 #102

I disagree hack89 Oct 2012 #106

I like Fidel. Sure his economics might not be that good but he saved Cuba from US imperialism. craigmatic Oct 2012 #108

Yes, because Batista's mass murders, genocide of Blacks and the Wests rape and pillage of Cuba... vaberella Oct 2012 #110

That justifies 60 years of one man rule? Really? nt hack89 Oct 2012 #120

Oh so all of those things are okay?! By your estimation, then?! vaberella Oct 2012 #122

So dictators who don't indulge in mass murder are ok with you? Wow!! hack89 Oct 2012 #124

So 60 years of GW Bush would be ok as long as he didn't advocate mass murder? ok. nt hack89 Oct 2012 #126

Cuba was a poor Carribean nation before Castro and will be after... JCMach1 Oct 2012 #121

I cannot share with your enthusiasm about a human suffering, even if he doesn't feel anything slackmaster Oct 2012 #123

I suppose the OP would rather Cuba was still run by Batista and Meyer Lansky? leveymg Oct 2012 #128

No third option? hack89 Oct 2012 #130

Without Castro, Cuba would probably be similar to the Dominican Republic. Press not free there, leveymg Oct 2012 #131

So Latin America requires strongmen to prosper? True democracy is a hindrance to be avoided? hack89 Oct 2012 #132

Caudillos aren't my preferred form of governance - true democracy may exist in Iceland leveymg Oct 2012 #133

There has been no US imposed strong man in Cuba for 60 years hack89 Oct 2012 #142

Exactly. leveymg Oct 2012 #143

Do you think the Cuban people should be given a real say in what change is made? hack89 Oct 2012 #146

Who's going to give it to them? leveymg Oct 2012 #149

Up to the authoritarian government to give? Or for the people to take? hack89 Oct 2012 #150

Maybe the Evil Spock will play Che to the revolution that Fidel made? leveymg Oct 2012 #153

The world does not need another Che. nt hack89 Oct 2012 #155

Don't worry. He got turned into a commodity a long time ago. leveymg Oct 2012 #158

Ohhhh... The world will get used to many MORE Che's as we go forward with Wall Street Bankers. n/t KoKo Oct 2012 #170

Considering his unbroken string of failure hack89 Oct 2012 #177

They will do it. Two out of three of the demands of the Varela Project have been met. joshcryer Oct 2012 #165

I dispute that. Cuba wasn't occupied like DR. joshcryer Oct 2012 #164

leveymg....Excellent Point! n/t KoKo Oct 2012 #168

I am wondering why the OP never revisited this thread obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #137

Good question. In fact, there are tons of good questions in this thread. CreekDog Oct 2012 #144

Maybe he and Tom Clancy are having a reunion. Starry Messenger Oct 2012 #152

Might be too close to McCarthy Era to want to engage in discussion. KoKo Oct 2012 #169

Did you even read the OP? Starry Messenger Oct 2012 #172

+1 obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #176

Links please for my "repeated misuse of that term" here on DU.... KoKo Oct 2012 #187

This is just from two hours ago: Starry Messenger Oct 2012 #194

I lived in a dictatorship for five years... brooklynite Oct 2012 #145

Texas in the 90s? leveymg Oct 2012 #147

Really? What in your opinion is definition of "Dictator?" What definition do you use to judge? KoKo Oct 2012 #171

A dictator chooses to rule without any regard for democratic process... brooklynite Oct 2012 #173

Well we've seen a taste of that with BUSH II...but it's been a progression that's gone on KoKo Oct 2012 #178

NO - WE - HAVE - NOT brooklynite Oct 2012 #184

Wait, haven't you posted about being a 1%er before? LeftyMom Oct 2012 #179

So, because I'm financially well off... brooklynite Oct 2012 #180

Since the offense appears to be denying political domination to you and yours, and actually giving a LeftyMom Oct 2012 #186

You DO know your Filipino history, don't you? brooklynite Oct 2012 #189

Oh, Bullshit. The Candadian and European tourists there JanMichael Oct 2012 #154

Gee, I guess our embargo had nothing to do with Cuba's economic condition. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #159

"May Cuba break free from the chains of communism." marmar Oct 2012 #183

Right ON! Exactly....! KoKo Oct 2012 #188

Why couldn't it be done with free and open elections? hack89 Oct 2012 #191

Have you looked at USA in the past 12 years? KoKo Oct 2012 #192

Yes - a man of color won a free and open election hack89 Oct 2012 #195