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Grasswire2

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34. thank you for posting that

Thu Sep 2, 2021, 09:56 PM

Sep 2021

It does not show any data comparing her stated emphasis in those states to time spent in other states, and that would be good to know. Why did people stay home, there? Why did they switch, or vote third party? We can't evaluate the outcome without knowing the why. Was any info elicited that explains it all?

I'm not being critical. I just want to understand why campaigning heavily didn't work. I understand that it may be unknowable.

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Neither Jill Stein Nor Susan Sarandon Lost 2016 For Clinton. Trump Switchers Did [View all] wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 OP

Feckless assholes who care about celebrity, not policy BradAllison Sep 2021 #1

Oh I think Jill Stein was paid to run. yardwork Sep 2021 #8

We need to stop ignoring how stupid the American people are BradAllison Sep 2021 #10

Neither of the women but the voters they influenced with their stupid and callous. LizBeth Sep 2021 #2

They spewed hatred and lies against Clinton JI7 Sep 2021 #3

Thanks elleng Sep 2021 #4

It's Not true.. Cha Sep 2021 #73

Concerning "Trump switcher" general election voters (mentioned by the OP), there's this as well: lapucelle Sep 2021 #88

Gary Johnson Impact? ThunderRoad Sep 2021 #108

I don't think that boring Gary Johnson had anywhere near the impact the "Trump switcher" voters did. lapucelle Sep 2021 #111

Yeah, I believe it.. This is on Them one Cha Sep 2021 #123

Yep. kairos12 Sep 2021 #152

And why did they switch?? honest.abe Sep 2021 #5

Well... Mike Nelson Sep 2021 #6

Yes, To You & To Honest Abe ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #112

That's simply not true. Jill Stein's votes in swing states lost us the election. yardwork Sep 2021 #7

You are correct and the OP is once again wrong LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #60

only if you ignore other third party voters. Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #105

Not true. Look at the post immediately above this. yardwork Sep 2021 #128

Obama's "supermajority": filibuster-proof 60 votes in the Senate lasted four months and ten days. betsuni Sep 2021 #9

Actually it was only a little over two months FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #19

According to Al Franken it was four months and ten days: betsuni Sep 2021 #23

This is the same inside the box thinking that I no longer have patience for wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #25

Jill and Susan added to the chorus of voices disparaging Hillary. pnwmom Sep 2021 #11

Will you be Primarying President Biden in 2024 with a candidate who supports your lofty goals? brooklynite Sep 2021 #12

Me and the rest of the Dems busted our asses in 2020 getting him and the Democratic majority elected wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #26

Not shocking at all, it's very much par for the course, Autumn Sep 2021 #97

Here are how Senators have voted w/respect to Biden's agenda since he took office... George II Sep 2021 #102

True. Anyone who listened to those two hairbrained Trump supporters was already beyond hope. NNadir Sep 2021 #13

That is just plain bullshit. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #14

Agreed. This is bullshit! Beakybird Sep 2021 #15

and yet didn't HRC concentrate her campaign on coastal states? Grasswire2 Sep 2021 #17

Hillary: "We always knew that the industrial Midwest was crucial to our success, just as it had betsuni Sep 2021 #27

thank you for posting that Grasswire2 Sep 2021 #34

She complains that she and Tim Kaine made a 635-mile trip around Ohio and Pennsylvania betsuni Sep 2021 #42

+1, thank you. She had to pussyfoot around certain areas Nixie Sep 2021 #49

Thank you! betsuni Sep 2021 #54

Thanks for posting this...I have heard this sort of thing repeatedly. It was never true. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #116

No it would not, the race was lost in the rustbelt where the Russian princess Stein and her Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #84

The 7% that stayed home stayed home for a reason. joshcryer Sep 2021 #16

Right...why they changed our Republic by helping elect Trump...oh wait I meant destroyed our Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #85

I do remember your posts during 16 presidential election...You disliked Hillary Clinton. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #86

Why? betsuni Sep 2021 #92

it's a pointless exercise... stillcool Sep 2021 #18

Thank you. I guess any spin is better than admitting our futures depend on finding a better way. Doremus Sep 2021 #36

Much easier to whine about the past than to build the future. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #101

Susan Sarandon has 745,000 followers on Twitter. If just 5% of them switched to trump instead.... George II Sep 2021 #20

But George, the revolution did start! Bongo Prophet Sep 2021 #28

Guess how many followers Hillary Clinton has wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #32

Hillary Clinton didn't implore her followers to vote for donald trump. George II Sep 2021 #35

A lot of people endorsed 45 wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #37

Politico 2 years "after the fact" in 2018? So how did that help flip the 2016 Presidential election? George II Sep 2021 #38

Who voices support for 45 in 2018? wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #43

Irrelevant. The election was two years earlier. George II Sep 2021 #95

Its hard to believe you didn't see Sarandon advocating Nixie Sep 2021 #45

There's a difference between "not seeing" and "ignoring". 11 Bravo Sep 2021 #142

Sarandon was campaigning with Bernie and he didn't say Nixie Sep 2021 #44

Suddenly a famous person everybody knows from movies and her corporate ads for products betsuni Sep 2021 #51

Yeah! She was whipping up the crowds at his rallies, a Nixie Sep 2021 #55

Again, do you ever tire of being wrong? LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #61

I've never seen this one. She's DEPLORABLE!! I despise her even more. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #80

+100000000000000 betsuni Sep 2021 #83

It's funny how you see so little rage directed at the actual Trump voters. Mariana Sep 2021 #21

Trump voters have power wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #29

Could be one and the same: George II Sep 2021 #39

That photo is a treasure, definitely one for the history books. She & Putin look so smug... Hekate Sep 2021 #115

Again the premise of this thread is simply false -do you ever tire of being wrong? LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #62

The OP isn't "wrong"... but both things are true. DemocraticPatriot Sep 2021 #79

"Trump switcher" (OP's term) GE votes exceeded the margin of victory in three swing states. lapucelle Sep 2021 #89

I have an accounting background and I like numbers LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #104

I already acknowledged the accuracy of that. DemocraticPatriot Sep 2021 #127

What Happened To The Donated Money To Mount A Challenge Me. Sep 2021 #22

James Comey dominated that election from start to finish. StevieM Sep 2021 #24

Comey needs to be thoroughly investigated. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #48

More people voted for Stein in the 3 states mcar Sep 2021 #30

If Stein voters had that much influence wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #33

And Stein Contributed to it all by joining Michael Flynn and other Trashy Whores in attacking JI7 Sep 2021 #50

Again you are wrong LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #65

Once again I thank you for sharing your invaluable eyewitness account. It is pathetic... Hekate Sep 2021 #119

For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #145

Wrong. nt DURHAM D Sep 2021 #31

And that 3% made the difference where they lived. nt joetheman Sep 2021 #40

Black voter turnout fell in 2016, even as a record number of Americans cast ballots Celerity Sep 2021 #41

+1 leftstreet Sep 2021 #53

"An important explanation for the drop in African American turn-out had to do with Obama and betsuni Sep 2021 #56

Did Hillary Clinton call African-American youth 'superpredators?' Celerity Sep 2021 #66

She did not call black youth super predators while advocating for the 1994 crime bill. betsuni Sep 2021 #69

she was defending the crime bill in 1996, I never said she said it in 1994, I never mentioned 1994 Celerity Sep 2021 #72

The point was explaining the drop in African American votes. betsuni Sep 2021 #77

Here's what Bernie Sanders, who actually voted for the bill said about it: betsuni Sep 2021 #71

so now it is on to whataboutism games (and with wilfully clipped quotes to boot) Celerity Sep 2021 #75

I didn't "chop it off" because I got it from a book and that's all there was. betsuni Sep 2021 #78

If you were misled by a misleading quote, that's your problem wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #114

Very good resource you put together wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #113

Thank you. I am so tired of the constant whine about those irrelevant has-beens. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #46

Yes, but it's much more satisfying to have a two-minute hate Mysterian Sep 2021 #47

No, the failures are with Sarandon who said Clinton is worse than Trump even AFTER Trump JI7 Sep 2021 #52

I'd like to know why Edwards' IWR vote didn't make him a warmongering monster but Hillary's did. betsuni Sep 2021 #58

You'll have to ask DumbSHIT 3rd party Sarandon Cha Sep 2021 #74

I was disgusted by some Sanders and Stein voters gloating-pointing/laughing-holier-than-thouness... tenderfoot Sep 2021 #57

Do you tire of being wrong? Bernie Sanders Voters Helped Trump Win and Here's Proof LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #59

If teh ebil Sarandon has so much power, maybe people should tread lightly when invoking her name Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2021 #63

Sarandon is a repeat offended-she got George W Bush elected in 2000 LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #67

dotn even type it outs. S-----n is the best way. Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #106

The S word. /nt tonedevil Sep 2021 #107

Like to fill a depends Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2021 #110

showing the world who she is and what she did will eliminate any power she had over the gullible. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #126

Bullshit. W_HAMILTON Sep 2021 #64

Russia got its moneys worth supporting Stein LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #68

Exactly.. It's Official! Stein & Sarandon Fucked UP.. Cha Sep 2021 #70

Nina Turner's hands are not clean either... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #82

Thank God this former Democrat is not going to the House. I live in her district. We worked Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #117

Turner, Moore, Sarandon, West, others like them, AND their apologists/defenders... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #120

Yep! We certainly didn't forget about Nina Turner! W_HAMILTON Sep 2021 #136

Oh yeah, NT has a special Karmic Cha Sep 2021 #122

Either way they still suck. eShirl Sep 2021 #76

More bullshit. we can do it Sep 2021 #81

There is evidence that "Trump switcher" (your term) GE votes exceeded the margin of victory lapucelle Sep 2021 #87

As if their was ever any doubt. All the ridiculous denials and shifting of blame reminds me of... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #91

Folks watched in real time as Bri Grey tred to erase history on twitter yesterday. lapucelle Sep 2021 #93

Yeah, I saw this. I hope she is finished in politics and takes her show somewhere else...when Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #118

Only 35% of Sanders-Trump voters voted Obama in 2012 wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #94

"Extrapolating ratios" without including numbers is an essentially meaningless exercise, lapucelle Sep 2021 #96

Yes, because we have faith in polls nowadays... Tarc Sep 2021 #90

Stein's total number of votes exceeded TFG's margin of victory in Wisconsin, Roisin Ni Fiachra Sep 2021 #98

Everyone eligible to vote in 2016 who did not vote for Hillary Clinton bears an equal portion ... dawg Sep 2021 #99

The issue was the lies they kept telling about Clinton dansolo Sep 2021 #100

This shit again? CrackityJones75 Sep 2021 #103

Anyone who encouraged you to vote 3rd party instead of for the Dem is RESPONSIBLE for this mess! LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #109

Someone is trying to gaslight us. And we're not falling for it. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #121

Keeping a chip on your shoulders is never productive wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #124

Do you tire of being wrong? LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #125

I can post tweets too wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #129

People who failed the test of history are sad but fun to laugh at LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #130

And they're probably laughing at you now wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #131

I am having fun laughing at your posts LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #134

Not campaigning the final month in states that she thought she had in the bag was a major reason too Polybius Sep 2021 #132

I think that's the whole problem wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #133

I think the problem is too many take the party for granted and are disloyal...and maybe Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #140

"Disloyal"? Is this the Democratic Party or the CPC? wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #143

I am a Democrat and always work to elect Democrats and to register more Democrats. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #146

So when do we conduct the loyalty tests? wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #147

Anyone who wants to be a Democrat can be...it was our revolution who had loyalty Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #148

So you want to emulate the other side? wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #149

This is a country of 330 million people, about 180 million voters. A Presidential candidate.... George II Sep 2021 #135

Thank you. I find the idea that Hillary lost because she didn't have more rallies ridiculous. betsuni Sep 2021 #137

Biden did not campaign that much but he still won. And what you are saying is a rightie Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #141

Of course they contributed to her loss.. and trying to cover that mess up with sugar Peacetrain Sep 2021 #138

Here is my two cents about 'disaffected voters' that helped Trump win...fuck you and Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #139

Opinion: Hillary Clinton warned us this day would come LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #144

Just reading these posts tells me why the Democrats are always having problems. marie999 Sep 2021 #150

You brought out the whiners. /nt tonedevil Sep 2021 #151

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #153