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137. Thank you. I find the idea that Hillary lost because she didn't have more rallies ridiculous.

Sat Sep 4, 2021, 04:50 PM

Sep 2021

That was something pundits came up with after the election and repeated over and over until everyone believed it. Suddenly she ran a bad campaign. As if Trump's campaign was great!

People don't have newspapers, TVs, radios, computer machines? Completely in the dark unless a candidate comes to their town and they see them in person? Are people in swing states really so clueless? Why do they need so much attention? Do they doubt a candidate really exists unless they come to their house and kiss their butt? Does that only apply to politics? People follow sports -- know the players, statistics, teams -- without going to person to see games. The whole thing's absurd.

I thought Biden didn't do much campaigning. He won. If he had lost they'd say the same thing, he didn't visit Wisconsin or whatever.

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Neither Jill Stein Nor Susan Sarandon Lost 2016 For Clinton. Trump Switchers Did [View all] wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 OP

Feckless assholes who care about celebrity, not policy BradAllison Sep 2021 #1

Oh I think Jill Stein was paid to run. yardwork Sep 2021 #8

We need to stop ignoring how stupid the American people are BradAllison Sep 2021 #10

Neither of the women but the voters they influenced with their stupid and callous. LizBeth Sep 2021 #2

They spewed hatred and lies against Clinton JI7 Sep 2021 #3

Thanks elleng Sep 2021 #4

It's Not true.. Cha Sep 2021 #73

Concerning "Trump switcher" general election voters (mentioned by the OP), there's this as well: lapucelle Sep 2021 #88

Gary Johnson Impact? ThunderRoad Sep 2021 #108

I don't think that boring Gary Johnson had anywhere near the impact the "Trump switcher" voters did. lapucelle Sep 2021 #111

Yeah, I believe it.. This is on Them one Cha Sep 2021 #123

Yep. kairos12 Sep 2021 #152

And why did they switch?? honest.abe Sep 2021 #5

Well... Mike Nelson Sep 2021 #6

Yes, To You & To Honest Abe ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #112

That's simply not true. Jill Stein's votes in swing states lost us the election. yardwork Sep 2021 #7

You are correct and the OP is once again wrong LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #60

only if you ignore other third party voters. Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #105

Not true. Look at the post immediately above this. yardwork Sep 2021 #128

Obama's "supermajority": filibuster-proof 60 votes in the Senate lasted four months and ten days. betsuni Sep 2021 #9

Actually it was only a little over two months FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #19

According to Al Franken it was four months and ten days: betsuni Sep 2021 #23

This is the same inside the box thinking that I no longer have patience for wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #25

Jill and Susan added to the chorus of voices disparaging Hillary. pnwmom Sep 2021 #11

Will you be Primarying President Biden in 2024 with a candidate who supports your lofty goals? brooklynite Sep 2021 #12

Me and the rest of the Dems busted our asses in 2020 getting him and the Democratic majority elected wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #26

Not shocking at all, it's very much par for the course, Autumn Sep 2021 #97

Here are how Senators have voted w/respect to Biden's agenda since he took office... George II Sep 2021 #102

True. Anyone who listened to those two hairbrained Trump supporters was already beyond hope. NNadir Sep 2021 #13

That is just plain bullshit. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #14

Agreed. This is bullshit! Beakybird Sep 2021 #15

and yet didn't HRC concentrate her campaign on coastal states? Grasswire2 Sep 2021 #17

Hillary: "We always knew that the industrial Midwest was crucial to our success, just as it had betsuni Sep 2021 #27

thank you for posting that Grasswire2 Sep 2021 #34

She complains that she and Tim Kaine made a 635-mile trip around Ohio and Pennsylvania betsuni Sep 2021 #42

+1, thank you. She had to pussyfoot around certain areas Nixie Sep 2021 #49

Thank you! betsuni Sep 2021 #54

Thanks for posting this...I have heard this sort of thing repeatedly. It was never true. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #116

No it would not, the race was lost in the rustbelt where the Russian princess Stein and her Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #84

The 7% that stayed home stayed home for a reason. joshcryer Sep 2021 #16

Right...why they changed our Republic by helping elect Trump...oh wait I meant destroyed our Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #85

I do remember your posts during 16 presidential election...You disliked Hillary Clinton. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #86

Why? betsuni Sep 2021 #92

it's a pointless exercise... stillcool Sep 2021 #18

Thank you. I guess any spin is better than admitting our futures depend on finding a better way. Doremus Sep 2021 #36

Much easier to whine about the past than to build the future. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #101

Susan Sarandon has 745,000 followers on Twitter. If just 5% of them switched to trump instead.... George II Sep 2021 #20

But George, the revolution did start! Bongo Prophet Sep 2021 #28

Guess how many followers Hillary Clinton has wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #32

Hillary Clinton didn't implore her followers to vote for donald trump. George II Sep 2021 #35

A lot of people endorsed 45 wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #37

Politico 2 years "after the fact" in 2018? So how did that help flip the 2016 Presidential election? George II Sep 2021 #38

Who voices support for 45 in 2018? wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #43

Irrelevant. The election was two years earlier. George II Sep 2021 #95

Its hard to believe you didn't see Sarandon advocating Nixie Sep 2021 #45

There's a difference between "not seeing" and "ignoring". 11 Bravo Sep 2021 #142

Sarandon was campaigning with Bernie and he didn't say Nixie Sep 2021 #44

Suddenly a famous person everybody knows from movies and her corporate ads for products betsuni Sep 2021 #51

Yeah! She was whipping up the crowds at his rallies, a Nixie Sep 2021 #55

Again, do you ever tire of being wrong? LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #61

I've never seen this one. She's DEPLORABLE!! I despise her even more. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #80

+100000000000000 betsuni Sep 2021 #83

It's funny how you see so little rage directed at the actual Trump voters. Mariana Sep 2021 #21

Trump voters have power wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #29

Could be one and the same: George II Sep 2021 #39

That photo is a treasure, definitely one for the history books. She & Putin look so smug... Hekate Sep 2021 #115

Again the premise of this thread is simply false -do you ever tire of being wrong? LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #62

The OP isn't "wrong"... but both things are true. DemocraticPatriot Sep 2021 #79

"Trump switcher" (OP's term) GE votes exceeded the margin of victory in three swing states. lapucelle Sep 2021 #89

I have an accounting background and I like numbers LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #104

I already acknowledged the accuracy of that. DemocraticPatriot Sep 2021 #127

What Happened To The Donated Money To Mount A Challenge Me. Sep 2021 #22

James Comey dominated that election from start to finish. StevieM Sep 2021 #24

Comey needs to be thoroughly investigated. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #48

More people voted for Stein in the 3 states mcar Sep 2021 #30

If Stein voters had that much influence wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #33

And Stein Contributed to it all by joining Michael Flynn and other Trashy Whores in attacking JI7 Sep 2021 #50

Again you are wrong LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #65

Once again I thank you for sharing your invaluable eyewitness account. It is pathetic... Hekate Sep 2021 #119

For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #145

Wrong. nt DURHAM D Sep 2021 #31

And that 3% made the difference where they lived. nt joetheman Sep 2021 #40

Black voter turnout fell in 2016, even as a record number of Americans cast ballots Celerity Sep 2021 #41

+1 leftstreet Sep 2021 #53

"An important explanation for the drop in African American turn-out had to do with Obama and betsuni Sep 2021 #56

Did Hillary Clinton call African-American youth 'superpredators?' Celerity Sep 2021 #66

She did not call black youth super predators while advocating for the 1994 crime bill. betsuni Sep 2021 #69

she was defending the crime bill in 1996, I never said she said it in 1994, I never mentioned 1994 Celerity Sep 2021 #72

The point was explaining the drop in African American votes. betsuni Sep 2021 #77

Here's what Bernie Sanders, who actually voted for the bill said about it: betsuni Sep 2021 #71

so now it is on to whataboutism games (and with wilfully clipped quotes to boot) Celerity Sep 2021 #75

I didn't "chop it off" because I got it from a book and that's all there was. betsuni Sep 2021 #78

If you were misled by a misleading quote, that's your problem wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #114

Very good resource you put together wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #113

Thank you. I am so tired of the constant whine about those irrelevant has-beens. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #46

Yes, but it's much more satisfying to have a two-minute hate Mysterian Sep 2021 #47

No, the failures are with Sarandon who said Clinton is worse than Trump even AFTER Trump JI7 Sep 2021 #52

I'd like to know why Edwards' IWR vote didn't make him a warmongering monster but Hillary's did. betsuni Sep 2021 #58

You'll have to ask DumbSHIT 3rd party Sarandon Cha Sep 2021 #74

I was disgusted by some Sanders and Stein voters gloating-pointing/laughing-holier-than-thouness... tenderfoot Sep 2021 #57

Do you tire of being wrong? Bernie Sanders Voters Helped Trump Win and Here's Proof LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #59

If teh ebil Sarandon has so much power, maybe people should tread lightly when invoking her name Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2021 #63

Sarandon is a repeat offended-she got George W Bush elected in 2000 LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #67

dotn even type it outs. S-----n is the best way. Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #106

The S word. /nt tonedevil Sep 2021 #107

Like to fill a depends Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2021 #110

showing the world who she is and what she did will eliminate any power she had over the gullible. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #126

Bullshit. W_HAMILTON Sep 2021 #64

Russia got its moneys worth supporting Stein LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #68

Exactly.. It's Official! Stein & Sarandon Fucked UP.. Cha Sep 2021 #70

Nina Turner's hands are not clean either... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #82

Thank God this former Democrat is not going to the House. I live in her district. We worked Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #117

Turner, Moore, Sarandon, West, others like them, AND their apologists/defenders... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #120

Yep! We certainly didn't forget about Nina Turner! W_HAMILTON Sep 2021 #136

Oh yeah, NT has a special Karmic Cha Sep 2021 #122

Either way they still suck. eShirl Sep 2021 #76

More bullshit. we can do it Sep 2021 #81

There is evidence that "Trump switcher" (your term) GE votes exceeded the margin of victory lapucelle Sep 2021 #87

As if their was ever any doubt. All the ridiculous denials and shifting of blame reminds me of... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #91

Folks watched in real time as Bri Grey tred to erase history on twitter yesterday. lapucelle Sep 2021 #93

Yeah, I saw this. I hope she is finished in politics and takes her show somewhere else...when Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #118

Only 35% of Sanders-Trump voters voted Obama in 2012 wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #94

"Extrapolating ratios" without including numbers is an essentially meaningless exercise, lapucelle Sep 2021 #96

Yes, because we have faith in polls nowadays... Tarc Sep 2021 #90

Stein's total number of votes exceeded TFG's margin of victory in Wisconsin, Roisin Ni Fiachra Sep 2021 #98

Everyone eligible to vote in 2016 who did not vote for Hillary Clinton bears an equal portion ... dawg Sep 2021 #99

The issue was the lies they kept telling about Clinton dansolo Sep 2021 #100

This shit again? CrackityJones75 Sep 2021 #103

Anyone who encouraged you to vote 3rd party instead of for the Dem is RESPONSIBLE for this mess! LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #109

Someone is trying to gaslight us. And we're not falling for it. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #121

Keeping a chip on your shoulders is never productive wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #124

Do you tire of being wrong? LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #125

I can post tweets too wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #129

People who failed the test of history are sad but fun to laugh at LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #130

And they're probably laughing at you now wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #131

I am having fun laughing at your posts LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #134

Not campaigning the final month in states that she thought she had in the bag was a major reason too Polybius Sep 2021 #132

I think that's the whole problem wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #133

I think the problem is too many take the party for granted and are disloyal...and maybe Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #140

"Disloyal"? Is this the Democratic Party or the CPC? wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #143

I am a Democrat and always work to elect Democrats and to register more Democrats. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #146

So when do we conduct the loyalty tests? wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #147

Anyone who wants to be a Democrat can be...it was our revolution who had loyalty Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #148

So you want to emulate the other side? wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #149

This is a country of 330 million people, about 180 million voters. A Presidential candidate.... George II Sep 2021 #135

Thank you. I find the idea that Hillary lost because she didn't have more rallies ridiculous. betsuni Sep 2021 #137

Biden did not campaign that much but he still won. And what you are saying is a rightie Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #141

Of course they contributed to her loss.. and trying to cover that mess up with sugar Peacetrain Sep 2021 #138

Here is my two cents about 'disaffected voters' that helped Trump win...fuck you and Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #139

Opinion: Hillary Clinton warned us this day would come LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #144

Just reading these posts tells me why the Democrats are always having problems. marie999 Sep 2021 #150

You brought out the whiners. /nt tonedevil Sep 2021 #151

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #153