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fescuerescue

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86. So "universal" health care

Tue Sep 7, 2021, 06:36 PM

Sep 2021

Isn’t that universal if we feel the person made a prior bad decision.

Lack of exercise causes lots of problems.

Maybe we need exercise passports too. Also good eating passports. And good driver passports. So many possibilities!

but I don’t support this, because the poor will have just as much trouble getting these passports as they do IDs and we know how huge that problem is.

Health passports are a form of healthcare suppression.

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I think I've been looking at vaccine passports all wrong. [View all] hamsterjill Sep 2021 OP

I'm hearing in face to face conversations JustAnotherGen Sep 2021 #1

If I had a vote, I would treat willfully unvaxed covid in field hospitals SheltieLover Sep 2021 #61

Friend had heart attack last week. Waited EIGHT HRS for care SheltieLover Sep 2021 #2

Your friend may be an excellent example of why this is a bad idea FBaggins Sep 2021 #5

None of the above SheltieLover Sep 2021 #6

Does it matter? FBaggins Sep 2021 #8

Doesn't The Contagious Aspect... ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #17

Nope FBaggins Sep 2021 #18

Absolutely, Professor! SheltieLover Sep 2021 #62

Willfully unvaxed should not be allowed to break our healthcare system, imo SheltieLover Sep 2021 #21

The good news is... it doesn't really matter what your opinion is FBaggins Sep 2021 #26

Mob rule? Really? SheltieLover Sep 2021 #27

Ok... "public opinion" FBaggins Sep 2021 #31

I'd be happy if magats, unwillfully unvaxed, were not allowed to break healthcare, schools, & govt SheltieLover Sep 2021 #32

And those magats would love to determine whether you were worthy of receiving healthcare FBaggins Sep 2021 #34

It should be willfully unvaxed housed & treated outside hospitals SheltieLover Sep 2021 #36

So ... Lurker Deluxe Sep 2021 #47

Apparently, many doctors agree with not cloggong healthcare facilities SheltieLover Sep 2021 #64

You've let your imagination run away with you FBaggins Sep 2021 #89

Public opinion doesn't drive policy? Are you serious? Do you think the public opinion regarding ... marble falls Sep 2021 #55

N. Idaho rationing care now SheltieLover Sep 2021 #63

That's every hospital in the US fescuerescue Sep 2021 #94

You do realize, the sane is true for you, right? marble falls Sep 2021 #37

Yes and no FBaggins Sep 2021 #39

I agree with you- it's a dangerous slippery slope. Look at who tends to get sickest from covid- AkFemDem Sep 2021 #33

Except it's not heart attack patients or accident victims Phoenix61 Sep 2021 #9

Only on the worse days of the pandemic... FBaggins Sep 2021 #11

It's not about how many are dying. It's about Phoenix61 Sep 2021 #12

I have no trouble with necessary rationing by severity of illness FBaggins Sep 2021 #14

That's just dumb. What if the main driver of the break down care service is, I don't know ... marble falls Sep 2021 #44

+1,000! SheltieLover Sep 2021 #65

You may find it "just dumb" FBaggins Sep 2021 #90

Not only are docs & nurses quitting, but suiciding and being abused by magats seeking care! SheltieLover Sep 2021 #22

This!👆 SheltieLover Sep 2021 #28

I see, but isn't it on a scale treestar Sep 2021 #19

It's the "blame the patient" part that is a problem FBaggins Sep 2021 #20

Yes, but not to the point of rationing care for non covid patients SheltieLover Sep 2021 #23

Apparently, many Drs. Feel this needs to be handled differently as well. SheltieLover Sep 2021 #41

I will definitely blame the anti-vaxxer patient when the preventative is two shots... roamer65 Sep 2021 #45

You can blame whoever you want FBaggins Sep 2021 #51

Yes we can. roamer65 Sep 2021 #53

Nope FBaggins Sep 2021 #57

I'm enhancing the argument for triage. roamer65 Sep 2021 #69

That's clear from the OP on down FBaggins Sep 2021 #73

In field hospitals! SheltieLover Sep 2021 #68

Absolutely! SheltieLover Sep 2021 #56

This!👆 SheltieLover Sep 2021 #66

When the asshole pateint refused to be vaxxed or masked, it's not his or her fault????? How do ... marble falls Sep 2021 #46

Who said that it isn't his or her fault? FBaggins Sep 2021 #50

... SheltieLover Sep 2021 #58

Well said democrattotheend Sep 2021 #84

They don't realize that's what they're doing. But it's morally unacceptable FBaggins Sep 2021 #85

Yup. When docs & nurses are quitting & suiciding, obviously something is very wrong SheltieLover Sep 2021 #29

Heart disease isn't a major communicable disease. roamer65 Sep 2021 #38

So? FBaggins Sep 2021 #52

They triaged in 1918. roamer65 Sep 2021 #54

You misunderstand the concept of triage FBaggins Sep 2021 #59

Times change, circumstances change. roamer65 Sep 2021 #67

Willfully unvaxed are breaking our healthcare system, schools, & govt. SheltieLover Sep 2021 #70

At this point, all we can do is just sit back and watch the coming shitshow. roamer65 Sep 2021 #72

I suppose SheltieLover Sep 2021 #76

I hear ya. roamer65 Sep 2021 #77

Mayve so... SheltieLover Sep 2021 #79

Not like delta, not in our lifetime! SheltieLover Sep 2021 #74

This is a real concern. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #13

Obviously, nobody would carry the "I'm a COVIDIOT" card. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #15

Absolutely! SheltieLover Sep 2021 #30

+1000000 roamer65 Sep 2021 #40

Yup SheltieLover Sep 2021 #24

This is happening and there are also compounding issues. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #96

More stick, less carrot. JarOCats Sep 2021 #3

Republican death panels come to life. LakeArenal Sep 2021 #4

I have no trouble with denying medical care to TFG supporters who refuse vaccination LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #7

Triage them to tents or off site locations SheltieLover Sep 2021 #25

What about those hospital staff not vacc? Reports of 20% of heath care workers still not vaccinated Shanti Shanti Shanti Sep 2021 #10

Obviously, fire them and pull their licenses permanently. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #16

Our hospitals have always been full of people... Zeitghost Sep 2021 #35

I just see a pandemic out of control. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #48

The topic is the lack of hospital beds Zeitghost Sep 2021 #60

The vaccine takes one minute to get. Jetheels Sep 2021 #75

And are not contagipus! SheltieLover Sep 2021 #78

The comparison is valid Zeitghost Sep 2021 #81

Maybe so, the unvacced may have a more difficult time changing their diet of right wing hate Jetheels Sep 2021 #82

And that's just the employees... Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #91

Nope. SYFROYH Sep 2021 #42

Foolish, on all fronts Lurker Deluxe Sep 2021 #43

Okay, smartass. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #49

public pressure Lurker Deluxe Sep 2021 #71

So in a year from now hamsterjill Sep 2021 #80

nice Lurker Deluxe Sep 2021 #87

I had ACA coverage. hamsterjill Sep 2021 #88

It is not a horrible way to think malaise Sep 2021 #83

So "universal" health care fescuerescue Sep 2021 #86

Veteran unable to get treatment due to hospital's COVID-19 crowding dies from gallstones StarryNite Sep 2021 #92

rationed care isn't new. fescuerescue Sep 2021 #93

Apples and oranges... StarryNite Sep 2021 #99

It all mixed into the same bowl. fescuerescue Sep 2021 #100

I wish we had universal healthcare but we don't. n/t area51 Sep 2021 #95

And the left and right both have their reasons to stop it fescuerescue Sep 2021 #98

"This is a horrible way to think..." Devil Child Sep 2021 #97