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In reply to the discussion: Ivermectin causes sterilization in 85 percent of men, study finds [View all]caraher
(6,300 posts)35. Apparently that 85% figure is badly supported
The gist: it's not part of the Nigerian study but comes from a report referenced (badly) by the paper. That report resists confirmation because the reference leads nowhere.
This is a Nigerian study on patients with river blindness, and Im so sorry to tell you this but river blindness is a truly horrific condition that is endemic mostly in sub-Saharan countries, and it is caused by worms in your eyeballs. You get it by getting bit by a fly that has the worms. As you may have learned in my previous video, ivermectin specifically attacks nerve cells found in invertebrates, so the treatment for river blindness is to take ivermectin once a year for ten to 15 years.
So. The 85% figure comes NOT from this study linked in the tweet but from a reference to a report the authors mention. Their citation of that report isnt written correctly so I had to go searching for it, and in doing so I found another curious person who found the same thing. Because this is the internet, I must refer to him as Falcon Darkstar. Falcon Mr. Darkstar points out that the Journal of Biomedical Investigation wasnt published until 2003, but the reference points to 2002. He couldnt find any similar report and I cant either. So sorry, but we have to throw out the 85% idea unless and until we see a real study on it.
The actual study linked looked at 385 patients with river blindness, which would be a great number of subjects to have, so its unfortunate that they dismissed 90% of them for various reasons like too low of a sperm count already, leaving them with a scant 37 subjects. Of those, they found that for various reasons, 60% of the patients lost fertility after taking ivermectin. And thats it! A handful of men experienced a drop in fertility, but we dont know for how long, or why, or if this is just a statistical blip due to having so few subjects in the study. And, knowing that the authors couldnt even cite a report from a journal that existed at the time they say it was published, are we really confident in the rest of their data?
So. The 85% figure comes NOT from this study linked in the tweet but from a reference to a report the authors mention. Their citation of that report isnt written correctly so I had to go searching for it, and in doing so I found another curious person who found the same thing. Because this is the internet, I must refer to him as Falcon Darkstar. Falcon Mr. Darkstar points out that the Journal of Biomedical Investigation wasnt published until 2003, but the reference points to 2002. He couldnt find any similar report and I cant either. So sorry, but we have to throw out the 85% idea unless and until we see a real study on it.
The actual study linked looked at 385 patients with river blindness, which would be a great number of subjects to have, so its unfortunate that they dismissed 90% of them for various reasons like too low of a sperm count already, leaving them with a scant 37 subjects. Of those, they found that for various reasons, 60% of the patients lost fertility after taking ivermectin. And thats it! A handful of men experienced a drop in fertility, but we dont know for how long, or why, or if this is just a statistical blip due to having so few subjects in the study. And, knowing that the authors couldnt even cite a report from a journal that existed at the time they say it was published, are we really confident in the rest of their data?
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Well, that's an encouraging bit of news. Self-eugenics on top of self-genocide.
lagomorph777
Sep 2021
#2
Well WTF are we waiting for -- let's get some rush shipments out to the males of the GOP
Blue Owl
Sep 2021
#3
Correct. In the past a man doing something stupid that cost them their Balls qualified.
GulfCoast66
Sep 2021
#9
I'd like to see all Evangelical and Republican registered males at the age of 21...
Enter stage left
Sep 2021
#12
Covid infection can cause a five fold increased risk of Erectile Dysfunction, too.
mackdaddy
Sep 2021
#17
If true its the one good side effect assuming of course its administered before the morons
cstanleytech
Sep 2021
#24
Well, it's less painful than the old method, which was shooting their own balls off.
NBachers
Sep 2021
#32
Snopes says unproven, not credible publisher, US FDA denies the finding. (Nt)
FreepFryer
Sep 2021
#39