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Celerity

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73. Neera Tanden too.
Sun Sep 12, 2021, 07:34 PM
Sep 2021
White House pulls nomination of embattled budget chief pick Neera Tanden

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/white-house-pulls-nomination-embattled-budget-chief-pick-neera-tanden-n1258738

WASHINGTON — The White House is withdrawing Neera Tanden's nomination to lead the Office of Management and Budget, marking the first major personnel defeat for President Joe Biden.

Tanden ran into trouble after Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., came out against her, citing overtly partisan statements that he said would have a toxic and detrimental impact on the working relationship between Congress and the influential budget office.



Also, the whingeing over Sanders above (the lowest Biden score in the Dem caucus! OMG OMG) is over TWO votes, and both passed anyway.

Yes, you read right, the difference between 100% and 'dead last' is 2 votes.

It was TWO votes total he voted against the Biden stance, and his opposition was meaningless to the outcome, as both passed anyway.

The 14 other Senators that had 97.1% had ONE vote where they voted against the Biden stances. You could say they all are second from dead last. Many voted No on Lloyd Austin to become Secretary of Defense, due to wanting to keep the top governmental control of the military completely in civilian hands and not an ex General. Sanders btw, voted Yes.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=117&session=1&vote=00004#position



Here are the votes for Sanders:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/bernard-sanders/

One Sanders NO vote was nomination of Tom Vilsack to be secretary of agriculture, a nomination opposed by many different Democratic-affiliate groups, especially black farmers. It passed 92-7.

Black farmers, civil rights advocates seething over Vilsack pick

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/09/black-farmers-tom-vilsack-agriculture-usda-biden-cabinet-444077


The other No vote was against the Endless Frontier Act (it passed 68-32) because it contained a 10 billion dollar pay-out to Jeff Bezos that was added in very late as an amendment. He also wanted more oversight over the $53b spent on semi-conductors.


Bernie Sanders wants to stop NASA funding for Blue Origin

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/05/bernie-sanders-seeks-to-eliminate-the-bezos-bailout-in-space/

An earlier amendment, submitted by Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.), modified NASA's Artemis Program. Cantwell's amendment, in part, called for $10.03 billion in additional funding for NASA to carry out the Human Landing System program. This legislation was filed as Blue Origin and Jeff Bezos were urging Congress to add $10 billion to NASA's budget—enough money to fully fund the development of a second Human Landing System.




That posters are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill, and NOT for the first time, they tried the EXACT same thing back in July.

Again, Manchin is actually blocking things, plus he helped strip out over $2 TRILLION in new spending and tax incentives to fight global climate change from the bi-partisan infrastructure bill. An almost 80% reduction.


$2.05 trillion was already stripped out of Biden's proposal. The total new infrastructure spending in the bi-partisan bill is now only $550 billion (the other $650 billion is just renewal of old already-passed spending programmes under Trump and Moscow McTurtle).

The Infrastructure Plan: What’s In and What’s Out (it's brutal)

Biden's original plan:



What was left after they took a 2 trillion USD hatchet to it




They already chopped almost EIGHTY percent of actual new spending out of the hard infrastructure bill

and now Manchin wants to chop another almost 60 to 70% out of the even bigger bill, one that needs ZERO Rethugs votes to pass


The total new spending on Biden's original 2 bill proposals (hard and human) was $6.1 trillion.

IF Manchin and Sinema stick to their guns and chop out $2 trillion to $2.5 trillion of of the reconciliation bill, then you are looking at a total new spend for both bills of only $1.55 trillion to $2.05 trillion instead of $6.1 trillion.

That is a truly massive 2/3rds to 3/4ers total reduction in new spending, and the vast majority will be from the parts the largest single Democratic caucus in the House (the 96 person-strong Progressive Caucus) all desperately wanted, especially things to address climate change and to help working class Americans. Pete DeFazio, the Chair of the House Transportation Committee has been very, very unhappy for ages about what the bi-partisan Senators did.

I can see many of the 96 members of the Progressive Caucus (far beyond just The Squad) going bonkers if Manchin and Sinema (as the major Dem players in the 2 guttings) succeed in stripping out 4 to 4.5 trillion USD between the 2 bills. It may put both bills at risk, and then all hell will break loose between the 2 sides (96 House progs versus Manchin and Sinema in the Senate, plus the 10 renegade conservadem Problems Solver types in the House).

There is a way, IF Pelosi can pare down the dissenting progs to say 10, 20, maybe even 30 and THEN enough frontline 'psuedo-moderate' Rethugs vote for the bi-partisan bill only, in order to pass it. There is a problem (of course there is, lol) with that as well, as the House Rethugs (plus the fuckstick Trump) are going full bore to try and threaten any and all House Rethugs who may vote for the bi-partisan bill:

GOP pressure to block bipartisan infrastructure bill builds in the House

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/07/politics/bipartisan-infrastructure-bill-republican-support/index.html

Speaker Pelosi is DEFFO trying to make 10,000 angels dance on the head of a pin. She is probably the only person on the planet (zero hyperbole) who can get both bills passed in the House.





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I Just Made This Point in Another Thread, But More Obliquely Beetwasher. Sep 2021 #1
And that's politics, isn't it? mcar Sep 2021 #7
Yes. There are several others who want the bills pared down. Hortensis Sep 2021 #54
Exactly. nt mcar Sep 2021 #58
This is negotiations LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #95
Fixed: Joe Manchin can be bribed to vote with Pres. Biden 100% of the time 48656c6c6f20 Sep 2021 #2
Joe what's in it for me Manchin lame54 Sep 2021 #3
Again, politics mcar Sep 2021 #8
Yes, and accusing Manchin of accepting bribes is called libel, too. George II Sep 2021 #21
Plenty of dems tried to get pork 48656c6c6f20 Sep 2021 #42
$3.5B. Sure, they're supposed to fight for and get improvements for their districts. Hortensis Sep 2021 #55
Getting "pork" included in a bill is one thing, "extorsion" is a totally different thing... George II Sep 2021 #94
The concept is called earmarks LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #98
Need to bring back earmarks paleotn Sep 2021 #49
Sure. After all, earmarks were originally designed to keep money allocated Hortensis Sep 2021 #59
Much was misused, but much wasn't. paleotn Sep 2021 #70
Earmarks are back, and Americans should be glad LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #100
Yes, they weren't all bad. nt mcar Sep 2021 #111
If Manchin was bribed to vote with President Biden he'd be prosecuted, convicted, and jailed.... George II Sep 2021 #19
I find Manchins extortion offensive. 48656c6c6f20 Sep 2021 #23
What is Manchin "extorting"? George II Sep 2021 #33
You're funny 48656c6c6f20 Sep 2021 #34
Accusing a Democratic Senator of committing a crime isn't funny... George II Sep 2021 #38
Post removed Post removed Sep 2021 #39
Point me to one Senator who hasn't negotiated to get "pork" for their state mcar Sep 2021 #36
They all do FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #61
Polls also show WV voters voted 68.6% mcar Sep 2021 #112
Those voting R are generally voting against what's best for them. FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #113
OK, but mcar Sep 2021 #115
Like I said. FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #116
Do you find the concept of negotiations offensive? LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #101
This is NOT bribery in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #97
Compare with Bernie Sanders Staph Sep 2021 #4
Last place in the Democratic Caucus. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #9
I noticed that too. mcar Sep 2021 #10
Almost all of the votes they scored have been for nominations. former9thward Sep 2021 #5
Yes, the sampling Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #6
OK, so that's one you object to having included mcar Sep 2021 #11
That is moving the goalposts of the OP former9thward Sep 2021 #24
It's my OP mcar Sep 2021 #27
It is what it is, facts are facts. Manchin tied for #1 of 50. George II Sep 2021 #22
Facts do indeed matter in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #104
"Almost all of the votes they scored have been for nominations" BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #32
Thanks BRDS mcar Sep 2021 #37
It's amazing what HAS gotten done in 7 months BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #47
It is amazing mcar Sep 2021 #52
They have been also doing reversals of the crap regulations BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #72
The web page is called: George II Sep 2021 #40
The web page did not make a posting. former9thward Sep 2021 #57
The OP - me - used the conclusions indicated in the link mcar Sep 2021 #63
The OP was based on the web page. If the OP left out a link the complain would be "link?" George II Sep 2021 #83
Easy to do when things he'll vote against aren't brought up Sympthsical Sep 2021 #12
Do you think Nancy Pelosi would bring something to the floor that mcar Sep 2021 #13
I don't see how you're disagreeing with my counter Sympthsical Sep 2021 #17
In other words, Manchin has never voted against President Biden's agenda, other Senators have. George II Sep 2021 #41
You're just playing word games to form a false conclusion Sympthsical Sep 2021 #48
How much of Biden's agenda has Manchin, personally, derailed? mcar Sep 2021 #65
Call it what you will but facts are facts and it's NOT a "false narrative" or "demonstrably untrue". George II Sep 2021 #88
but that doesn't equate to Manchin supporting Biden initiatives 100% bigtree Sep 2021 #18
Does anyone have a better measure of Manchin's support of Biden's agenda? Or anyone else's? George II Sep 2021 #44
Thank you mcar Sep 2021 #53
Except in this case, Schumer has said "full speed ahead" on pony legislation Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #25
Has Manchin ever blocked any votes to move any bills from committee to the final bill? George II Sep 2021 #45
I think once, on a gun control bill after Sandy Hook Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #51
OK, but this OP is about this congress mcar Sep 2021 #66
So, I think Schumer should call for a vote on the committee reports and put Manchin on record Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #77
If it's the one I'm thinking of, S. Amdt. 715, he proposed the amendment, he voted for cloture .... George II Sep 2021 #87
There's also the "it would have passed anyway" defense, too. George II Sep 2021 #26
If Schumer would bring the pony legislation to the floor for a vote and Manchin LiberalArkie Sep 2021 #29
I don't think we're supposed to point that out. FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #62
You mean bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #14
I honestly don't know what Sinemas motivation is mcar Sep 2021 #28
I see him as our Susan Collins AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2021 #86
If Joe Manchin doesn't vote for a bill, Griefbird Sep 2021 #15
lol bigtree Sep 2021 #16
The American Rescue Plan was a huge bill mcar Sep 2021 #30
looks like we'd get a reconciliation bill *today*, but for his vote bigtree Sep 2021 #46
Quoting McConnell? mcar Sep 2021 #67
Oh Snap! sheshe2 Sep 2021 #79
McConnell's words are there to remind how much he's eating this up bigtree Sep 2021 #102
You do realize that MoscowMitch is playing games and trying to stoke division LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #103
When a bill is actually allowed to reach the senate floor for a vote, Manchin votes w/Biden 100% Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #20
Procedural shenanigans equal politics. nt mcar Sep 2021 #31
Well then let's look at the 14 since you brought it up. former9thward Sep 2021 #35
Are you goal-post moving now? BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #64
American Rescue Plan mcar Sep 2021 #68
Let's see if he votes for the big bill then. If he votes no... JanMichael Sep 2021 #43
Manchin is like nearly every other congressperson (D or R) Steelrolled Sep 2021 #50
David Chipman's nomination was pulled because Manchin opposed it FBaggins Sep 2021 #56
"Along with Tester and King" nt mcar Sep 2021 #69
So? They were just let off the leash. FBaggins Sep 2021 #74
They were let off the leash? mcar Sep 2021 #78
That isn't how it works FBaggins Sep 2021 #91
Thanks for explaining mcar Sep 2021 #92
Neera Tanden too. Celerity Sep 2021 #73
TY, mcar. It helps to know that! Hekate Sep 2021 #60
YW Hekate mcar Sep 2021 #71
Manchin and Sinema are the only 2 Dems left who will not budge (so far) on even modifications of it. Celerity Sep 2021 #76
Unfortunately there are "quieter" ones who are also resisting BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #89
I am a bit more optimistic that all save for Manchin and Sinema will ultimately for for a one-off Celerity Sep 2021 #99
You are posting stuff said back in January and March and April BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #105
I am only talking about Manchin and Sinema, and your newer articles simply re-enforce that they Celerity Sep 2021 #107
Yes - we know Manchin and Sinema are problems BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #109
So has Manchin mcar Sep 2021 #114
BUT a REAL Democrat would vote with Biden 110% of the time!!! brooklynite Sep 2021 #75
And go on Fox "News" to brag about it! mcar Sep 2021 #81
Manchin is the most conservative Senate Democrat AZProgressive Sep 2021 #80
I posted the link to what the stat is based on mcar Sep 2021 #82
We can't get anything done in the Senate AZProgressive Sep 2021 #84
We've gotten quite a lot done in the Senate mcar Sep 2021 #85
Manchin's Trump score Celerity Sep 2021 #90
The 115th Congress was from 2.5-4.5 years ago, these days virtually ancient history. Did you skip... George II Sep 2021 #108
Why would his "with tRump" score be anything more than 0? FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #117
Every Democrat in both the House and Senate have a +0 score. It's the comparative score that's key. George II Sep 2021 #118
Because that is when the Rethugs controlled things and you can see who goes along and votes Celerity Sep 2021 #120
They're both from conservative states, especially Manchin. Anyone less "conservative" that... George II Sep 2021 #93
There's a pile of them not that far off from him BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #106
Yeah but... Septua Sep 2021 #96
Technically BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #110
One thing wrong with this: Polybius Sep 2021 #119
I think you misunderstand the statistic referenced. honest.abe Sep 2021 #121
This is interesting and encouraging although a bit misleading. honest.abe Sep 2021 #122
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