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NullTuples

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85. Percent is interesting & telling, but I'm not sure it's the most valid when used alone.

Sun Sep 12, 2021, 08:05 PM

Sep 2021

People had much less contact with others, and with fewer people. Most were still rural. The world population was only 2 billion, that of the USA only around 76 million.

I'm not saying the raw counts are best either, by the way.

I'm guessing some weighted combination that also includes other measures like effect on GDP (or global) although that's apples & oranges.

Plus, by some accounts the 1918 pandemic lasted only from early 1918 to late summer 2019. There were no vaccines, no drugs, no ventilators, no respirators (only cloth masks). It was altogether a different virus, one that burned through populations in a way very similar to what Republicans wanted to let COVID do. By late 2019 everyone was either dead or immune. The dynamics of the virus getting a chance to mutate to something more "perfect" (ugh) were very different.

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The largest loss of life event ever in US history [View all] Travel Hat Sep 2021 OP

According to some articles the real # of dead could already be @ 1,000,000 Americans. Botany Sep 2021 #1

+1,000,000 WA-03 Democrat Sep 2021 #2

As someone who has watched the numbers meticulously since the beginning Otto_Harper Sep 2021 #3

Agreed 100% PCIntern Sep 2021 #6

Agree ... especially if states have a governor like DeSantis in Florida. RKP5637 Sep 2021 #7

sound's like he's not to well received ? he might have to move to a third world country ! monkeyman1 Sep 2021 #14

Wish he would. He's the one the GOP would like to have run in 2024 if they RKP5637 Sep 2021 #18

very much so ! negligent homicide should be considered on all republicans ! monkeyman1 Sep 2021 #24

Republicans are certainly a special throw-back breed. RKP5637 Sep 2021 #28

Negligent homicide is not severe enough rambler_american Sep 2021 #63

First I've heard of that pandr32 Sep 2021 #112

Not negligent. Deliberate, premeditated genocide. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #101

that's better yet ! monkeyman1 Sep 2021 #114

I never understood why "conservatives" were so opposed to universal health care. plimsoll Sep 2021 #9

Profits. Kaiser gave Nixon the idea for profit based HMO. This right after Johnson started Medicare Tommymac Sep 2021 #36

You are correct. It was Nixon and Kaiser that steered America toward healthcare for profit... Raster Sep 2021 #102

In fact, there is a quote, not sure who said it, I think it was Nixon... Raster Sep 2021 #103

One reason. Because WE are for it. They will die to own liberals. Ferrets are Cool Sep 2021 #48

That's mainly US conservatives IronLionZion Sep 2021 #52

That's US conservatives' fear: that liberal policies would be proven to work. n/t Beartracks Sep 2021 #59

See Social Security and Medicare, and even Obamacare IronLionZion Sep 2021 #61

absolutely correct they are an under count. Travel Hat Sep 2021 #23

God only knows the #s of dead early on that died of Botany Sep 2021 #46

I know for a fact that it killed my mom... 2naSalit Sep 2021 #86

I feel fairly certian I had C-19 in late Dec. 2019 & all of Jan. 2020 Botany Sep 2021 #98

I'm pretty sure you're right. 2naSalit Sep 2021 #104

Trump was told of the coming Pandemic in the fall of 2019 and what did he do? Botany Sep 2021 #105

Yup. 2naSalit Sep 2021 #106

And in the winter of 2020 Kushner & Pompeo shipped 18 tons of PPE to China* which helped .... Botany Sep 2021 #109

They had federal agents confiscating PPE... 2naSalit Sep 2021 #111

Yup! And He had states competing with each other over PPE too. Botany Sep 2021 #113

That's why they qualify... 2naSalit Sep 2021 #115

Welcome to DU, Otto_Harper. calimary Sep 2021 #91

You have done a great job malaise Sep 2021 #107

Thanks, malaise! calimary Sep 2021 #110

That seems to be a very plausible scenario set out by a professional. BobTheSubgenius Sep 2021 #93

I would put everything I have on Florida's numbers dewsgirl Sep 2021 #4

Spell check, don't hate me but littlemissmartypants Sep 2021 #5

K&R!!! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2021 #19

I think everyone understood it. Nt USALiberal Sep 2021 #42

Nice to know that you live on a sofa inside my head littlemissmartypants Sep 2021 #72

Thanx! Botany Sep 2021 #116

Thank you. ❤ littlemissmartypants Sep 2021 #117

Yep. Obama and others got us ready for.... paleotn Sep 2021 #11

yepper , TFG & republican's put all in the dumpster ! all of this is on the republican's ! monkeyman1 Sep 2021 #16

The Hot Zone was a real eye opener for .me. CottonBear Sep 2021 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author Jetheels Sep 2021 #70

Well don't die mad, it was not just "they" that did it to Hillary. Jetheels Sep 2021 #71

Tim Kaine. ShazzieB Sep 2021 #94

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2021 #84

Yeah, but you'd want to use comparative percentages Sympthsical Sep 2021 #8

In real terms, it's like nuking Portland, OR or Nashville, TN.... paleotn Sep 2021 #15

Absolute numbers are good too. plimsoll Sep 2021 #17

The reason I did it that way is I have a Maga nephew. Travel Hat Sep 2021 #25

I only converted because I was interested Sympthsical Sep 2021 #29

Don't your percentages rely on calculations wnylib Sep 2021 #56

Percentages are more meaningful in this situation, I think. NH Ethylene Sep 2021 #50

Percentages are the right way to compare historical events, given a rising population Klaralven Sep 2021 #77

Percent is interesting & telling, but I'm not sure it's the most valid when used alone. NullTuples Sep 2021 #85

So unnecessary too. Joinfortmill Sep 2021 #10

Well, thanks for brightening my day. SergeStorms Sep 2021 #12

Thanks Slobfather malaise Sep 2021 #13

yet the slobfather is still walking free on the street's ? don't make sense ? monkeyman1 Sep 2021 #21

No sense at all malaise Sep 2021 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Sep 2021 #27

Trump's most famous words/lie..."It's a hoax"...He won't ever live that down...just as important... Stuart G Sep 2021 #31

There needs to be consequences malaise Sep 2021 #33

There needs to be consequences malaise Sep 2021 #34

Totally Agree."Lock him up" 1min,52secs, Trump says "Virus is a hoax..We have lost nobody to virus" Stuart G Sep 2021 #38

I doubt "reporters" would ever ask the HOAX question. They are too chickenshit. HUAJIAO Sep 2021 #49

Not all reporters are "chickenshit." Some will ask that question, and at debates he will be reminded Stuart G Sep 2021 #53

I hope you are right and I am wrong. HUAJIAO Sep 2021 #54

He will be remembered saying "It's a hoax," by us on DU and too few others. Doodley Sep 2021 #60

Trump deaths mountain grammy Sep 2021 #20

100 % ! monkeyman1 Sep 2021 #22

Does he own the million plus deaths in Europe? WarGamer Sep 2021 #32

What do you think? mountain grammy Sep 2021 #35

The facts say that... WarGamer Sep 2021 #43

Oddly, most of us expected better of the US. I laid off my cleaning ladies & gave them money... Hekate Sep 2021 #64

The anyi-vaxxers like Jenny McCarthy pre-date the C19 debacle. WarGamer Sep 2021 #67

The Trump Death Clock OhioTim Sep 2021 #83

It wasn't just that trump did a piss poor job.. mountain grammy Sep 2021 #88

He doesn't own deaths in Europe...Those were a VERY STRONG warning to us... Stuart G Sep 2021 #40

A constant spewage: "Fake News, Magically disappear, Kung Flu, China Virus" worked like a charm to Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #108

600,000 per year die of Cancer. WarGamer Sep 2021 #30

Really? Moebym Sep 2021 #37

With 200-300 million per year in funding... WarGamer Sep 2021 #39

You are off the wall, C19 is preventable..Ain't it?..No crowds, masks, social distancing...Ain't it? Stuart G Sep 2021 #41

Actually it's NOT completely preventable. WarGamer Sep 2021 #44

Well that sure is depressing. You know I remember I think it was when Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2021 #58

Lovely attempt at moving your own goalposts. LanternWaste Sep 2021 #66

Just the facts, LW... WarGamer Sep 2021 #68

diff tx for diff cancers samnsara Sep 2021 #57

Cancer is not 1 disease. Every type ocancer is completely different and treated completely different Quixote1818 Sep 2021 #95

I think we've already hit a million. One of these days a statistician will count... Hekate Sep 2021 #45

DUers have no reason to lie about this ... FakeNoose Sep 2021 #47

The CDC has data that compares the increase in deaths to what is typical. NH Ethylene Sep 2021 #51

That gives the total excess deaths from the start of March 2020 to mid July 2021 as about 715,000 muriel_volestrangler Sep 2021 #76

That's probably an undercount as it may have included May & June. n/t NH Ethylene Sep 2021 #82

I doubt there's a way to prove it either way IronLionZion Sep 2021 #55

Did your source include information on what those numbers are as a percentage of the US population? NurseJackie Sep 2021 #62

Sympthsical did the numbers Travel Hat Sep 2021 #65

Thanks. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #74

Surprised WWI was that high bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #69

In WW I if you got out your trench and ran across no man's land towards the "other guy's trench" ... Botany Sep 2021 #75

Yes, but percents are more valid. former9thward Sep 2021 #73

By end of next year is my prediction. roamer65 Sep 2021 #79

At the rate things are going with GQP... IrishAfricanAmerican Sep 2021 #80

55 million Native Americans wiped out by disease and war meadowlander Sep 2021 #81

Thank you. roody Sep 2021 #92

Wow, truly sobering Patton French Sep 2021 #87

The right wing death cult at work - nt Ohio Joe Sep 2021 #89

Welcome to DU, Travel Hat. calimary Sep 2021 #90

I would say that it's over a million now.... OhioChick Sep 2021 #96

omg Demovictory9 Sep 2021 #97

will... myohmy2 Sep 2021 #99

Several studies Snackshack Sep 2021 #100