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BumRushDaShow

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105. You are posting stuff said back in January and March and April
Sun Sep 12, 2021, 09:40 PM
Sep 2021

That's why I purposely included the stuff that came out in June (the 23rd and the 28th).

Here is what was set into motion last month (August) -

Democrats, Converted to Filibuster Foes, Are Set to Force the Issue

By Carl Hulse
Published June 4, 2021 Updated Aug. 5, 2021

WASHINGTON — When the Senate voted in January 2011 on what was then considered an outlandish proposal to allow a simple majority of senators to break filibusters, only a dozen Democrats backed the plan, which went down in a flamingly lopsided vote. A decade on, the vast majority of Senate Democrats have come around to the view that the filibuster rules — which require a supermajority of 60 votes to bring legislation to a final vote — are antiquated and unworkable, and have become the primary obstacle to meaningful policy changes that enjoy broad support.

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“Each vote will be building the case to convict the Republican Senate leadership of engaging in political gridlock for their advantage, rather than voting for the agenda the American people voted for in 2020,” Mr. Markey said. It is replicating a strategy that Harry Reid, then the Senate majority leader, employed in 2013 to persuade fellow Democrats to blow up the filibuster for judicial and executive branch nominees. He purposefully lined up a series of votes on highly regarded nominees to the influential United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. When Republicans repeatedly blocked them, Mr. Reid gathered enough Democratic support to change the rules by a majority vote.

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Mr. Reid was working with a larger majority than Mr. Schumer — 55 compared with 50 Democrats today — and among those he failed to convince was Senator Joe Manchin III of West Virginia, a prominent Democratic opponent of weakening the filibuster and one of three Democrats who balked at the changes in 2013. He is not the only holdout. Senator Kyrsten Sinema, Democrat of Arizona, doubled down on her opposition to changing the filibuster during an appearance back home this week as she stood beside Senator John Cornyn of Texas, one of the Republicans who had just blocked the Jan. 6 commission.

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Other Democrats, though more quietly, remain apprehensive about changing the filibuster rules. But colleagues and activists believe they can be convinced to do so when it becomes clear that the future of minority voting rights across the country is on the line and that the party’s aggressive agenda is going to be stymied almost single-handedly by Mr. McConnell. Mr. Reid used private party meetings to build momentum for a change, and Mr. Schumer is following the same path. Still, even some vocal proponents of gutting the filibuster are privately pessimistic about their prospects and fear that any gains made in June could quickly dissipate if the Senate spends July on infrastructure measures and then decamps, as scheduled, for the remainder of the summer. Democratic senators and key aides say they believe they have made progress nudging senators like Jon Tester of Montana and Angus King of Maine, who are wary of changing the rules, toward doing so for voting-related bills, if not permanently.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/04/us/democrats-filibuster-senate.html


So, as the old saying goes, they are still "softening the targets". As long as the others are in the background STILL equivocating, even as late as last month, then the show-boaters will feel "safe" doing the same.

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I Just Made This Point in Another Thread, But More Obliquely Beetwasher. Sep 2021 #1
And that's politics, isn't it? mcar Sep 2021 #7
Yes. There are several others who want the bills pared down. Hortensis Sep 2021 #54
Exactly. nt mcar Sep 2021 #58
This is negotiations LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #95
Fixed: Joe Manchin can be bribed to vote with Pres. Biden 100% of the time 48656c6c6f20 Sep 2021 #2
Joe what's in it for me Manchin lame54 Sep 2021 #3
Again, politics mcar Sep 2021 #8
Yes, and accusing Manchin of accepting bribes is called libel, too. George II Sep 2021 #21
Plenty of dems tried to get pork 48656c6c6f20 Sep 2021 #42
$3.5B. Sure, they're supposed to fight for and get improvements for their districts. Hortensis Sep 2021 #55
Getting "pork" included in a bill is one thing, "extorsion" is a totally different thing... George II Sep 2021 #94
The concept is called earmarks LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #98
Need to bring back earmarks paleotn Sep 2021 #49
Sure. After all, earmarks were originally designed to keep money allocated Hortensis Sep 2021 #59
Much was misused, but much wasn't. paleotn Sep 2021 #70
Earmarks are back, and Americans should be glad LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #100
Yes, they weren't all bad. nt mcar Sep 2021 #111
If Manchin was bribed to vote with President Biden he'd be prosecuted, convicted, and jailed.... George II Sep 2021 #19
I find Manchins extortion offensive. 48656c6c6f20 Sep 2021 #23
What is Manchin "extorting"? George II Sep 2021 #33
You're funny 48656c6c6f20 Sep 2021 #34
Accusing a Democratic Senator of committing a crime isn't funny... George II Sep 2021 #38
Post removed Post removed Sep 2021 #39
Point me to one Senator who hasn't negotiated to get "pork" for their state mcar Sep 2021 #36
They all do FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #61
Polls also show WV voters voted 68.6% mcar Sep 2021 #112
Those voting R are generally voting against what's best for them. FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #113
OK, but mcar Sep 2021 #115
Like I said. FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #116
Do you find the concept of negotiations offensive? LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #101
This is NOT bribery in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #97
Compare with Bernie Sanders Staph Sep 2021 #4
Last place in the Democratic Caucus. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #9
I noticed that too. mcar Sep 2021 #10
Almost all of the votes they scored have been for nominations. former9thward Sep 2021 #5
Yes, the sampling Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #6
OK, so that's one you object to having included mcar Sep 2021 #11
That is moving the goalposts of the OP former9thward Sep 2021 #24
It's my OP mcar Sep 2021 #27
It is what it is, facts are facts. Manchin tied for #1 of 50. George II Sep 2021 #22
Facts do indeed matter in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #104
"Almost all of the votes they scored have been for nominations" BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #32
Thanks BRDS mcar Sep 2021 #37
It's amazing what HAS gotten done in 7 months BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #47
It is amazing mcar Sep 2021 #52
They have been also doing reversals of the crap regulations BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #72
The web page is called: George II Sep 2021 #40
The web page did not make a posting. former9thward Sep 2021 #57
The OP - me - used the conclusions indicated in the link mcar Sep 2021 #63
The OP was based on the web page. If the OP left out a link the complain would be "link?" George II Sep 2021 #83
Easy to do when things he'll vote against aren't brought up Sympthsical Sep 2021 #12
Do you think Nancy Pelosi would bring something to the floor that mcar Sep 2021 #13
I don't see how you're disagreeing with my counter Sympthsical Sep 2021 #17
In other words, Manchin has never voted against President Biden's agenda, other Senators have. George II Sep 2021 #41
You're just playing word games to form a false conclusion Sympthsical Sep 2021 #48
How much of Biden's agenda has Manchin, personally, derailed? mcar Sep 2021 #65
Call it what you will but facts are facts and it's NOT a "false narrative" or "demonstrably untrue". George II Sep 2021 #88
but that doesn't equate to Manchin supporting Biden initiatives 100% bigtree Sep 2021 #18
Does anyone have a better measure of Manchin's support of Biden's agenda? Or anyone else's? George II Sep 2021 #44
Thank you mcar Sep 2021 #53
Except in this case, Schumer has said "full speed ahead" on pony legislation Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #25
Has Manchin ever blocked any votes to move any bills from committee to the final bill? George II Sep 2021 #45
I think once, on a gun control bill after Sandy Hook Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #51
OK, but this OP is about this congress mcar Sep 2021 #66
So, I think Schumer should call for a vote on the committee reports and put Manchin on record Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #77
If it's the one I'm thinking of, S. Amdt. 715, he proposed the amendment, he voted for cloture .... George II Sep 2021 #87
There's also the "it would have passed anyway" defense, too. George II Sep 2021 #26
If Schumer would bring the pony legislation to the floor for a vote and Manchin LiberalArkie Sep 2021 #29
I don't think we're supposed to point that out. FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #62
You mean bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #14
I honestly don't know what Sinemas motivation is mcar Sep 2021 #28
I see him as our Susan Collins AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2021 #86
If Joe Manchin doesn't vote for a bill, Griefbird Sep 2021 #15
lol bigtree Sep 2021 #16
The American Rescue Plan was a huge bill mcar Sep 2021 #30
looks like we'd get a reconciliation bill *today*, but for his vote bigtree Sep 2021 #46
Quoting McConnell? mcar Sep 2021 #67
Oh Snap! sheshe2 Sep 2021 #79
McConnell's words are there to remind how much he's eating this up bigtree Sep 2021 #102
You do realize that MoscowMitch is playing games and trying to stoke division LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #103
When a bill is actually allowed to reach the senate floor for a vote, Manchin votes w/Biden 100% Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #20
Procedural shenanigans equal politics. nt mcar Sep 2021 #31
Well then let's look at the 14 since you brought it up. former9thward Sep 2021 #35
Are you goal-post moving now? BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #64
American Rescue Plan mcar Sep 2021 #68
Let's see if he votes for the big bill then. If he votes no... JanMichael Sep 2021 #43
Manchin is like nearly every other congressperson (D or R) Steelrolled Sep 2021 #50
David Chipman's nomination was pulled because Manchin opposed it FBaggins Sep 2021 #56
"Along with Tester and King" nt mcar Sep 2021 #69
So? They were just let off the leash. FBaggins Sep 2021 #74
They were let off the leash? mcar Sep 2021 #78
That isn't how it works FBaggins Sep 2021 #91
Thanks for explaining mcar Sep 2021 #92
Neera Tanden too. Celerity Sep 2021 #73
TY, mcar. It helps to know that! Hekate Sep 2021 #60
YW Hekate mcar Sep 2021 #71
Manchin and Sinema are the only 2 Dems left who will not budge (so far) on even modifications of it. Celerity Sep 2021 #76
Unfortunately there are "quieter" ones who are also resisting BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #89
I am a bit more optimistic that all save for Manchin and Sinema will ultimately for for a one-off Celerity Sep 2021 #99
You are posting stuff said back in January and March and April BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #105
I am only talking about Manchin and Sinema, and your newer articles simply re-enforce that they Celerity Sep 2021 #107
Yes - we know Manchin and Sinema are problems BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #109
So has Manchin mcar Sep 2021 #114
BUT a REAL Democrat would vote with Biden 110% of the time!!! brooklynite Sep 2021 #75
And go on Fox "News" to brag about it! mcar Sep 2021 #81
Manchin is the most conservative Senate Democrat AZProgressive Sep 2021 #80
I posted the link to what the stat is based on mcar Sep 2021 #82
We can't get anything done in the Senate AZProgressive Sep 2021 #84
We've gotten quite a lot done in the Senate mcar Sep 2021 #85
Manchin's Trump score Celerity Sep 2021 #90
The 115th Congress was from 2.5-4.5 years ago, these days virtually ancient history. Did you skip... George II Sep 2021 #108
Why would his "with tRump" score be anything more than 0? FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #117
Every Democrat in both the House and Senate have a +0 score. It's the comparative score that's key. George II Sep 2021 #118
Because that is when the Rethugs controlled things and you can see who goes along and votes Celerity Sep 2021 #120
They're both from conservative states, especially Manchin. Anyone less "conservative" that... George II Sep 2021 #93
There's a pile of them not that far off from him BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #106
Yeah but... Septua Sep 2021 #96
Technically BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #110
One thing wrong with this: Polybius Sep 2021 #119
I think you misunderstand the statistic referenced. honest.abe Sep 2021 #121
This is interesting and encouraging although a bit misleading. honest.abe Sep 2021 #122
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