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StarfishSaver

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Sat Sep 18, 2021, 02:28 PM Sep 2021

New York state and city prosecutors have been investigating Trump's crimes for years [View all]

While investigations aren't normally discussed publicly, we know about these investigations because prosecutors had to go to court to obtain some of the evidence Trump was fighting. And even then, all we knew about the investigation is that they were seeking financial records to submit to the grand jury. Since those court cases were resolved, we have heard and know little else about what's going on with the investigations.

These investigations have been ongoing for years but have not yet resulted in a single indictment. And yet, we've seen very few, if any attacks against Cyrus Vance, Jr. or Letitia James, accusing them of being weak or ineffective or doing nothing because they're not giving us an inside view of what's going on with the investigations we are seeing or hearing nothing about.

But some Democrats are going after Merrick Garland, the man President Biden has entrusted to head the Justice Department, and accusing him of all manner of neglect and malfeasance because his team hasn't, in the 8 months since he took office, indicted a man who's also been under investigation in New York State for years, with no indictment yet forthcoming.

If the New York investigation should tell us anything, it should remind people that investigations like this are long, complicated, and confidential and don't result in instant indictments, regardless how impatient for instant gratification any of us may be.

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'investigations like this are long, complicated, and confidential elleng Sep 2021 #1
Justice delayed... Karadeniz Sep 2021 #2
Taking time to properly investigate a case is neither a delay or a denial of justice StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #3
it is if statutes of limitations run out bigtree Sep 2021 #8
I'm quite sure the DOJ attorneys are very familiar with the statutes of limitations they're working StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #17
problem with state prosecutions bigtree Sep 2021 #24
I agree with you on this issue 99% of the time, however... Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #18
How are you calculating that? StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #28
Trump wrote the checks to Daniels and McDougal in late October 2016 Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #41
The statute of limitations doesn't necessarily expires 5 years after the crime was first committed StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #42
Outside of RICO, aren't most indictments specific to individual acts, not patterns or series of acts Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #43
Not necessarily StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #44
Yes indeed, but if he were to be convicted of the same charges as Cohen, as "Individual 1" Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #45
Judges rarely make sentences consecutive, so it probably wouldn't make much difference StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #48
People were too busy accusing Tish James of wanting to replace Cuomo as Governor..... brooklynite Sep 2021 #4
Agree 100% FrankBooth Sep 2021 #5
Excellent point! MineralMan Sep 2021 #6
Cy Vance gets tons of criticism. Marius25 Sep 2021 #7
well deserved criticism. choie Sep 2021 #12
Thanks for the reminder. nt mcar Sep 2021 #9
Accountability - I Thought That My Earlier Post Here Might Contribute To This Discussion..... global1 Sep 2021 #10
This is quite fair to point out, but it's still a clear indication of a two-tier "justice" system Silent3 Sep 2021 #11
Thank you. lamp_shade Sep 2021 #13
the past 20+ years has been one hell stillcool Sep 2021 #14
If the truth be known...? kentuck Sep 2021 #15
I doubt the FBI conducted any serious investigation of him before he became president StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #21
I've been holding my tongue, though I have gone after Vance, I simply never trusted him msfiddlestix Sep 2021 #16
Do you at least understand that Vance is conducting an investigation even though StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #19
No need to be rude to that commenter. nt Grasswire2 Sep 2021 #22
There was absolutely nothing rude about my comment. StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #27
I think he's conducting a cover up. msfiddlestix Sep 2021 #30
You seem to have missed quite a bit StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #37
I just re-read your op. In my reading your other posts in the thread msfiddlestix Sep 2021 #34
I think you have missed the point altogether StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #38
Ok. I also understood you to say, that the investigations are over msfiddlestix Sep 2021 #39
I didn't say that - just the opposite StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #40
Will the Public be informed in either case? msfiddlestix Sep 2021 #46
If the grand jury issues indictments, yes. StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #49
Another reason not to make public anything related to TFG .. msfiddlestix Sep 2021 #50
I don't understand your point about a delay helping him StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #51
The more time the "wheels of justices" slpgs along, the closer it is for 2024 to get underway msfiddlestix Sep 2021 #52
You may need to lower your expectations StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #53
HRC was the anomaly, right? The "exception to the Rule" per Comey, if I recall correctly msfiddlestix Sep 2021 #59
Exactly - she was an anomaly, but not for the reason you seem to think StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #60
I don't see any divergence between what I said and your rephrasing. msfiddlestix Sep 2021 #61
the history of Vance is enough to make a person wary here Grasswire2 Sep 2021 #20
You think he went through all that trouble to get Trump's financial documents just for fun? StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #23
Not engaging. nt Grasswire2 Sep 2021 #25
Good idea StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #26
I missed that report.. msfiddlestix Sep 2021 #32
Yes, it went to the Supreme Court StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #36
thank you.. glad to know. n/t msfiddlestix Sep 2021 #47
indeed. Looks like he's going to live up to his reputation.. msfiddlestix Sep 2021 #35
If Trump is not indicated and successfully prosecuted, Garland is a failure. PufPuf23 Sep 2021 #29
Who looked the other way for all of those years? rockfordfile Sep 2021 #31
A guy named Rudy, to name one. Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #33
Really? former9thward Sep 2021 #54
During his tenure, yes. Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #55
Who are you blaming for the last 32 years? former9thward Sep 2021 #56
I don't have enough knowledge of NYC prosecutors Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #57
Giuliani was not a NYC prosecutor. former9thward Sep 2021 #58
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