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In reply to the discussion: So they gave a lot of private stuff about Trayvon to Zimmerman's lawyer, huh? [View all]msanthrope
(37,549 posts)29. Yes--and here's an OP I wrote about it--it's a point being missed in the noise.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002613889
You see, by the time Zimmy's sitting in that car, he's already identified a jailed burglary suspect. That guy is still in jail on the night of the shooting. The crime spree is over---unless---Georgie has taken it upon himself to catch the remaining crooks, since the cops probably told him it was more than one kid doing the robberies. At some point after Feb 6th, Zimmy's in the Sanford police department, identifying Burgess. I have no doubt that he looked at other possible suspect mug shots (associates of Burgess) and found out from the cops that 2 AA males were spotted.
So there's Georgie--does anyone really think he was on his way to Target? No, he was patrolling the neighborhood, trying to catch the guy with Burgess. And then he sees Trayvon Martin. And then he's told to wait by the 911 dispatcher. But he goes anyway.
This is premeditation--lying in wait. A tough case to make, but possible.
In edit--an important point is that Burgess isn't charged with the robberies--he's only charged with possession of stolen property, which indicates that the roofers who spotted 2 AA males could not make a positive id. So I have no doubt that the cops told Zimmy that without accomplice testimony, Burgess would escape robbery charges. Thus the remark "they always get away with it," from Zimmy on the 911 tape, and thus the pursuit of an "accomplice."
You see, by the time Zimmy's sitting in that car, he's already identified a jailed burglary suspect. That guy is still in jail on the night of the shooting. The crime spree is over---unless---Georgie has taken it upon himself to catch the remaining crooks, since the cops probably told him it was more than one kid doing the robberies. At some point after Feb 6th, Zimmy's in the Sanford police department, identifying Burgess. I have no doubt that he looked at other possible suspect mug shots (associates of Burgess) and found out from the cops that 2 AA males were spotted.
So there's Georgie--does anyone really think he was on his way to Target? No, he was patrolling the neighborhood, trying to catch the guy with Burgess. And then he sees Trayvon Martin. And then he's told to wait by the 911 dispatcher. But he goes anyway.
This is premeditation--lying in wait. A tough case to make, but possible.
In edit--an important point is that Burgess isn't charged with the robberies--he's only charged with possession of stolen property, which indicates that the roofers who spotted 2 AA males could not make a positive id. So I have no doubt that the cops told Zimmy that without accomplice testimony, Burgess would escape robbery charges. Thus the remark "they always get away with it," from Zimmy on the 911 tape, and thus the pursuit of an "accomplice."
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So they gave a lot of private stuff about Trayvon to Zimmerman's lawyer, huh? [View all]
Stinky The Clown
Oct 2012
OP
either way you won't get 12 jurors? to convict him on 2nd degree murder
former-republican
Oct 2012
#3
Can you kindly tell me what is it that gives you the impression that Zimmerman will walk?
Hutzpa
Oct 2012
#31
Are you saying he did not commit a crime or that a jury will not convict
ProgressiveProfessor
Oct 2012
#13
I want to recall that there as been discussion previously of lesser charges
ProgressiveProfessor
Oct 2012
#28
It appears that Manslaughter and Third Degree Murder are lesser included offenses for Zimmerman
Kennah
Oct 2012
#30
In some states they can drop the lesser charges to pressure the jury with only one option.
ProgressiveProfessor
Oct 2012
#32
Every attorney fights to protect their client's privacy--nothing suspicious there. But, if the
Xedniw
Oct 2012
#15
Zimmerman's defense has a right to this information, unlike a rape victim's info because
Xedniw
Oct 2012
#14
Uh, pulling a gun and killing someone isn't considered self-defense against an un-armed person.
JaneyVee
Oct 2012
#19
Yes--and here's an OP I wrote about it--it's a point being missed in the noise.
msanthrope
Oct 2012
#29
Martin was a minor, but not what the law would call a child. He was months away from being an adult.
Honeycombe8
Oct 2012
#39