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pipi_k

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82. And a rather shitty thing

Wed Dec 14, 2011, 11:33 AM

Dec 2011

about the average person not fully understanding the goals of OWS, is that so many here have actually blamed people for their lack of full understanding.

Then, when asked, those same people refuse to explain.

Why is that, I wonder...

Is it because they don't fully understand either, but they want to look like they do so they take an arrogant stand in order to make others look stupid?

All I can say is, if I had information on something and it was important to me that others understood it as much as they could, I would explain as many times as it took. Five, ten, a hundred.

I would not sit on my ass and say, "I've explained it a thousand times and I'm SICK of it, and if one more person asks me, I'm going to SCREAM!!!"

No. I'll try my best to explain until the person understands at least half of what I'm saying. If, after understanding half of what I said, the person disagrees, then that's OK. But it just bugs the hell out of me when people don't get what I'm saying but disagree anyway.

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The Fracturing of Occupy Wall Street [View all] hack89 Dec 2011 OP

I will have to check OWS later this evening and check out the discussions. mmonk Dec 2011 #1

What about those that pinned so many hopes on OWS? That really need it to succeed? nt hack89 Dec 2011 #3

This article is a waste of ink. Does this author think that OWS is only at Zuccotti Park? sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #14

You qualify it as a "hit piece" because you don't agree with it. TheWraith Dec 2011 #108

I know that is your dream, you've certainly said it often enough sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #113

They will still need for it to succeed because having a society that meets mmonk Dec 2011 #16

Well I'm sure they're just crushed by your articles today. Union Scribe Dec 2011 #20

Failure to face potential failure is an unfortunately all too common human failing hack89 Dec 2011 #22

Of course you do hack89 HangOnKids Dec 2011 #23

So if one is not 100% in agreement with OWS and their tactics they are not good progressives? hack89 Dec 2011 #25

When one makes a concerted effort to spread the word Union Scribe Dec 2011 #28

Two or three articles in two weeks? That's concerted? nt hack89 Dec 2011 #29

Not just talking about you. Union Scribe Dec 2011 #32

And what is your opinion on strident efforts to enforce lockstep orthodoxy on OWS? hack89 Dec 2011 #34

I think OWS tactics are OWS business Union Scribe Dec 2011 #37

But who is OWS if not the people? hack89 Dec 2011 #39

Nope. you represent yourself. eom boppers Dec 2011 #122

So OWS is not representative of all Americans? At least you are honest. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #125

It's a forum for the 99%. boppers Dec 2011 #126

I actively participate in democracy - just not OWS. nt. hack89 Dec 2011 #128

All I am saying is that OWS is pissing away the opportunity of a life time. hack89 Dec 2011 #76

Geeze settle down HangOnKids Dec 2011 #67

I don't respond well to smart ass sarcasm. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #77

Oh Sorry HangOnKids Dec 2011 #117

I don't think you are clear on the concept of "growing a set" hack89 Dec 2011 #123

Sorry hack I didn't get that HangOnKids Dec 2011 #133

Why am I not suprised. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #134

Who needs Zuccotti Park when I've been given Superpowers. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #2

My two cents: Without clear and focused goals diffusion is inevitable. Speck Tater Dec 2011 #4

They have articulated goals ... Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2011 #7

Not many have unfortunately. mmonk Dec 2011 #13

I'm sure for someone very motivated to feret out those goals that's true. Speck Tater Dec 2011 #18

I can (but I have been paying attention) nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #24

It doesn't matter in the slightest if those goals are articulated. randome Dec 2011 #31

I wouldn't take this article too seriously. Seems like this guy sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #17

+100000000000 Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2011 #35

TheNation - who owns that pub? This is clearly an OWS hit piece ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2011 #68

Yes, definitely a hit piece. sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #112

And a rather shitty thing pipi_k Dec 2011 #82

They'll be back. CJCRANE Dec 2011 #5

I agree, the Occupiers have only just begun to fight. Uncle Joe Dec 2011 #12

I'm not sure what to make of the article. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2011 #6

Facilitators are simply individuals who conduct the orderly movement of the GA Earth_First Dec 2011 #10

So a 3-hour General Assembly = a fractured #OWS? Earth_First Dec 2011 #8

Read closer hack89 Dec 2011 #11

The cops just took down Occupy Baltimore LiberalEsto Dec 2011 #9

this is the most important article IMO that I have read about what this movement needs to do next roseBudd Dec 2011 #15

Someone doesn't like #Occupy Wall Street. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #19

Disappointed is more accurate. I see their efforts to date being pissed away hack89 Dec 2011 #21

Go to your local facilitation committee and get your questions, observations, and suggestions into Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #33

I want them to enter the political process hack89 Dec 2011 #38

That's a hot topic, and assumes that the existing, corrupt system is fixable. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #46

How do you fix politics by avoiding politics? hack89 Dec 2011 #49

You really need to get to a large #Occupation Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #50

And still at the end of the day hack89 Dec 2011 #51

If you somehow missed everything that happened yesterday, I cannot help you further. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #53

I am very active in local politics - I work very hard to get Democrats elected to office hack89 Dec 2011 #55

Great! Why not then ask your local democrats to do something about all of the Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #57

Occupy Providence is supported by local democrats hack89 Dec 2011 #59

"Tolerated"? Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #60

We want our politicians to solve some real problems first hack89 Dec 2011 #61

Thank you for clarifying the priorities. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #62

Take off the hair shirt. OWS is not the only game in town hack89 Dec 2011 #74

What exactly is elitist about the 99% working together for each others' benefit and community? Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #95

You are using OWS as a platform to look down on those who don't share your passion. hack89 Dec 2011 #98

Judge me then by any community-building actions I undertake Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #101

Why can't I judge you by your insulting and patronizing comments to me? nt hack89 Dec 2011 #103

Why can't you answer me regarding your seemingly being okay with PDems nearly killing their citizens Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #104

That's exactly what I mean - I support violence against innocent protestors hack89 Dec 2011 #105

Okay, finally a note against what Democratic mayors are doing to their citizens. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #106

"Or are you subtly approving of what has occurred?" Rember that little comment hack89 Dec 2011 #107

I am not demanding anything of you except Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #109

You started it by accusing me of condoning violence against innocent protestors hack89 Dec 2011 #110

I did not accuse you of it, I asked after you did not say a single word Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #111

Ok - got it. You are more progressive than me. Happy now? nt hack89 Dec 2011 #114

??What?? Exactly where are we failing to communicate? Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #116

Top three priorities for OWS. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #63

So you want the laws changed, huh? randome Dec 2011 #69

You are aware of course, since every media outlet reported on this nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #81

But we are making decisions and working on legislation right now - we can't wait for OWS hack89 Dec 2011 #71

Read post 81, not in the mood to retype. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #84

They are still irrelevant to ongoing crisis in RI hack89 Dec 2011 #88

But they are participating nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #91

Tolerating the people?? And then people wonder why the political class is so unpopular. sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #70

Judging by the rapidly dwindling the numbers, OWS is not the people in RI. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #73

If you are only counting physical occupiers nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #85

How about we discuss their influence on critical issues in RI - looks like I'm still right. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #86

How about one of them was organized nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #89

I guess we will see hack89 Dec 2011 #90

I guess jobs is not well defined nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #92

I must second what Fire Walk is saying here. Rather than airing your objections coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #41

Occupy the Armchair! Change has come Dec 2011 #66

No - I will Occupy my local party election committee. We have an election to prepare for. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #72

Looks more like an assault on OWS. Hutzpa Dec 2011 #26

There is an excellent program airing on Current TV "The 99 Percent: Vanguard" AntiFascist Dec 2011 #27

The point of the article is that the neo-anarchist method of organization has broken down FarCenter Dec 2011 #30

Again? So when are you going to stop posting about it SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #36

They are resistant to my idea of entering the political process. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #40

'Resistant' is putting it mildly. randome Dec 2011 #42

Why don't YOU enter the political process? Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #43

I did that a long time ago. hack89 Dec 2011 #47

They are already quite political nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #64

I want to see how OWS plans to transition their goals and ideas to actual political results hack89 Dec 2011 #78

Local tension nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #79

Oh NOES111!!!1 Whatever will we do? Save us hack89! Edweird Dec 2011 #44

Get OWS involved in the political process. Lets get some good legislation passed. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #48

You have it backwards. What you are seeing is the anger from the 'hope and change' bait and switch. Edweird Dec 2011 #52

And from that you believe that Americans want to scrap our existing political system? hack89 Dec 2011 #58

It has to be both Harmony Blue Dec 2011 #65

If that is what they want, they have a funny way of showing their support. hack89 Dec 2011 #75

how quaint marions ghost Dec 2011 #54

How American. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #56

the America that used to be... marions ghost Dec 2011 #96

Not all of us give up so easily. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #97

neither does OWS and the people who are out there fascisthunter Dec 2011 #99

I was answering a poster who thinks that the political process is "so 2000" hack89 Dec 2011 #102

It's not OWS who needs to get their 'shit together'. They are not responsible for the sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #115

They have to get their shit together before they piss away the opportunity of a lifetime hack89 Dec 2011 #121

They have and are growing every day. Are you serious? Less than three months ago they sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #132

I'll stick with the squid... Agony Dec 2011 #45

OWS is used to hearing negative bs like this, they will laugh.This is no small group.THIS IS THE 99% judesedit Dec 2011 #80

"The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated." LanternWaste Dec 2011 #83

The reports of their success have been greatly exaggerated. hack89 Dec 2011 #87

We see what our biases direct us to see. LanternWaste Dec 2011 #93

Does that apply equally to you? nt hack89 Dec 2011 #94

indisputable fascisthunter Dec 2011 #100

No they haven't. Hissyspit Dec 2011 #119

If Occupy were to fail, all hope for a better future would be gone forever. Zorra Dec 2011 #118

Then they need to convince the public that they can actually bring about change hack89 Dec 2011 #124

Obvious concern-bots are obvious. nt Bonobo Dec 2011 #120

Now that NDAA will not be vetoed.... Jello Biafra Dec 2011 #127

It will be back in the Spring, bigger and meaner! dmosh42 Dec 2011 #129

Hard to imagine it being able to complete with a Presidential election. hack89 Dec 2011 #130

All the more reason for them to be active! dmosh42 Dec 2011 #131