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50. Why did you leave out teh last definition of this word?

Reply to lumberjack_jeff (Original post)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 01:21 PM

Jan 2012

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3a : a part of a population differing from others in some characteristics and often subjected to differential treatment b : a member of a minority group <an effort to hire more minorities>

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Are women in the 2012 United States a minority group? [View all] lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 OP

Does the fact that history is full of examples of oppressed majorities make the question Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #1

Can you give an analagous example? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #2

South African apartheid comes to mind. Arkansas Granny Jan 2012 #6

In what ways is the experience of Nelson Mandela similar to yours? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #15

Was Nelson Mandela the only victim of South African apartheid? racaulk Jan 2012 #19

I'm sure there were. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #22

I'm a white American male. racaulk Jan 2012 #25

In that the numerical minority oppressed him due to his majority status.... Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #34

Oppression enforced by denying the vote to the majority group is qualitiatively different. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #40

You asked for an analogous example, not my personal experience. Arkansas Granny Jan 2012 #55

So women aren't a minority group? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #64

So if women here don't suffer like blacks under Apartheid they don't qualify as oppressed majority? Zalatix Jan 2012 #78

Certainly an example... any example... would bolster the argument lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #82

Saddam's Sunni party was the dominant political group, but minority religious in Iraq riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #93

There are lots of examples of oppressed majorities. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #99

Your OP was not about electing leadership. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #113

Do any of the oppressed majorities in your examples enjoy electoral dominance? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #119

No, which is why sociologically they are considered "minorities". Just like women in the US. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #152

You clearly misunderstood. Women enjoy electoral dominance by virtue of casting most of the votes. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #155

Nice goal changing. Your OP was not about votes. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #160

Women are still traditionally an underclass treestar Jan 2012 #3

What do you mean by underclass in this context? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #5

Over history, over time, tradition treestar Jan 2012 #12

I notice that when you gave that substantial answer, the OP stopped engaging you CreekDog Jan 2012 #145

"future progress would involve women not having a market for selling sex or having equal access to EOTE Jan 2012 #91

Women should have the same benefits as men in life, no? treestar Jan 2012 #125

Sure, but once again, what point are you trying to make? EOTE Jan 2012 #127

No, you made that point up yourself treestar Jan 2012 #133

So once again, you equate being "equal" to having the same desires. EOTE Jan 2012 #134

That argument has never worked before treestar Jan 2012 #147

Sure, spend all the time at Chippendales that you want, I'm not going to stop you. EOTE Jan 2012 #185

You seemed to prefer the idea that women desire it less treestar Jan 2012 #186

No, actually, I'd prefer if they desired it more. EOTE Jan 2012 #188

To women they generally do treestar Jan 2012 #206

No. Our interest in sex isn't equal. Remember Me Jan 2012 #161

My point is that it could be treestar Jan 2012 #171

I think you're quite wrong Remember Me Jan 2012 #174

Why on this goal? treestar Jan 2012 #187

We are a still an unequal, in some ways, majority frazzled Jan 2012 #4

Do these inequalities merit minority status? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #8

Who cares what you call it? Inequality and discrimination don't need a name. frazzled Jan 2012 #11

We all should. Words mean things. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #21

No one suggested a 'similarity' to apartheid. It was used as an example of a majority Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #44

Okay, so "South african apartheid" is not "an analagous example". lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #58

Oh, no you don't Remember Me Jan 2012 #163

To the extent that women face barriers, it isn't just men putting them in place lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #182

No, but it still may count treestar Jan 2012 #17

I'd say ask the Native American woman who faces all those barriers and then also Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #20

If a native american woman faces a double dose of oppression... lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #100

As usual, you don't know WTF you're talking about. liberalhistorian Jan 2012 #197

+1 nt riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #204

Women are welcome at the barbershop that I go to. Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #16

Thank you for taking the two things I put in the list of serious inequalities ... frazzled Jan 2012 #88

Why did you bring up the hair and the drycleaning issues Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #90

Because people are always accusing women who ... frazzled Jan 2012 #98

There is a very vocal group of women-hating posters liberalhistorian Jan 2012 #198

Yes. A group having little power or representation relative to other groups within a society. justiceischeap Jan 2012 #7

I'm having a hard time reconciling a couple of concepts lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #14

well, by being treated as inferior persons in the workplace and in the home Tumbulu Jan 2012 #32

Stereotypes suck. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #74

Well, it is my judgement Tumbulu Jan 2012 #97

I'm inclined to accept that the expectation that I'm a fully functioning adult is a privilege. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #104

I am sorry, I do not understand your points (nt) Tumbulu Jan 2012 #150

ha ha ha. women get higher education because men are acting to protect them? DERP! bettyellen Jan 2012 #172

Define "dangerous jobs." Last time I checked, liberalhistorian Jan 2012 #199

How can the minority Tea Party hold so much power over politics the last two years? justiceischeap Jan 2012 #89

Here's a partial answer Remember Me Jan 2012 #164

Nice, I haven't heard the "Obama's primary voters are sexists" meme in a while. hughee99 Jan 2012 #46

If you think there weren't people who voted for him based on gender justiceischeap Jan 2012 #81

To say that there were no people who voted based on race or Sex hughee99 Jan 2012 #95

I still stand behind the assertion that the nation wasn't ready to elect justiceischeap Jan 2012 #101

I voted for my Governor, both my senators and Hillary. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #105

This forum couldn't be any bigger proof of sexism on the Left Remember Me Jan 2012 #165

Sure. 2b-A group having little power or representation relative to other groups within a society. pampango Jan 2012 #9

Which is the bigger problem... lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #29

Yes. Remember Me Jan 2012 #166

OMFG redqueen Jan 2012 #10

You're confused. The fact that I disagree doesn't mean I don't get it. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #24

Me? It's not me, Jeff. It's sociology. redqueen Jan 2012 #27

I've read the 1951 book on the subject lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #31

Congratulations on reading an out of date book. redqueen Jan 2012 #35

He does not want to acknowledge or examine his privilege. a simple pattern Jan 2012 #84

"And he wonders why women do better in school." redqueen Jan 2012 #85

No, I know exactly why you do better in school. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #92

Zounds -- this is awful Remember Me Jan 2012 #167

. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #183

Jesus fucking Christ, you are beyond unbelievable. liberalhistorian Jan 2012 #200

I've decided to just not engage anymore Marrah_G Jan 2012 #72

I hope you're right. redqueen Jan 2012 #79

No, I'm afraid he's for real, you should take a look liberalhistorian Jan 2012 #201

Yes, they are. racaulk Jan 2012 #13

so what if women were the majority in numbers... Whisp Jan 2012 #18

If DUers would stop contradicting the dictionary, Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #26

Could you send that stroke of genius to every sociologist in the world please? redqueen Jan 2012 #28

While I am flattered by your "genius" comment, Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #37

Maybe YOU need to look up the word in a dictionary obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #48

According to that definition, men are a minority too, Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #52

No I didn't obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #59

Dictionaries define words a bit differently than the real world in liberalhistorian Jan 2012 #202

then you tell me, what if women were the majority by numbers Whisp Jan 2012 #36

"what if women were the majority by numbers".... Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #38

oiy... Whisp Jan 2012 #56

Because the answer to the question posed has implications on policy. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #49

firstly it's male attitudes, then the policies are made to suit those attitudes. Whisp Jan 2012 #63

The purpose is simple. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #96

Yes, we're so "privileged" that we totally liberalhistorian Jan 2012 #203

Sociologically yes. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #23

2b: the f/m ratio of Senators, Representatives, Presidents, and Supreme Court Justices. eShirl Jan 2012 #30

Exactly! racaulk Jan 2012 #33

OK, *that* is a good point, and an issue that should be debated. (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #42

If women make up a majority of the voters, hughee99 Jan 2012 #51

It's not a battle of the sexes FFS. It's the patriarchy. redqueen Jan 2012 #53

The patriarchy is being upheld by men and women, hughee99 Jan 2012 #73

No they don't cry and whine redqueen Jan 2012 #83

That's on the listener, really? hughee99 Jan 2012 #86

Yep. redqueen Jan 2012 #87

Somewhat clearer. hughee99 Jan 2012 #103

I don't give women a pass. redqueen Jan 2012 #107

I completely agree that women do have a choice, hughee99 Jan 2012 #111

I didn't say that, you did. redqueen Jan 2012 #115

I imagine we often fail to see institutionalized disadvantages... LanternWaste Jan 2012 #39

Absolutely. And in no topic of discussion is this more blatant than this one. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #43

Why don't you also educate us about all the ways white people are disadvantaged? redqueen Jan 2012 #60

They're not. Does that closet have any more strawmen hiding in it? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #69

LOL ok... redqueen Jan 2012 #70

Apparently there's room in that closet for the amazing Kreskin too. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #77

Well, for God's sake, man, SPIT IT OUT Remember Me Jan 2012 #168

Can I help you? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #184

I have little doubt you believe you know what I mean. LanternWaste Jan 2012 #122

Point taken. I know the words you use, but have little assurance you know their definition. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #128

Oh, jeez Remember Me Jan 2012 #169

+1. The statistics on female versus male college admissions are alarming. Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #47

Please tell us also about all the ways white people are disadvantaged. redqueen Jan 2012 #61

More prone to sunburn (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #65

Whoa! That means racial minorities are no longer sociological minorities! redqueen Jan 2012 #66

I confess you're way ahead of me. Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #71

I imagine your sunburn explains your historical pay disparity. LanternWaste Jan 2012 #124

There was a southern senator in 1861 whop was against the expansion of slavery too. LanternWaste Jan 2012 #123

Yes obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #41

... or owns a dictionary (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #45

Except the dictionary, and wikipedia, back me up obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #54

This would imply that "men" is also a minority (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #57

a) I didn't. b) it's gibberish. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #75

some own dictionaries, some own dicktionaries Whisp Jan 2012 #94

Why did you leave out teh last definition of this word? obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #50

Because you pulled your defnition from someplace else. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #68

Of course you don't obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #106

if you're going to post the definition, how about actually reading it? CreekDog Jan 2012 #110

no subject JustAnotherGen Jan 2012 #62

OFFS Marrah_G Jan 2012 #67

I am reminded of christians who claim to be discriminated against. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2012 #76

The subject reminds me of republicans wrapping themselves in the flag lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #80

Please respond to this, my attempt to understand your perspective: BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2012 #117

When I negotiate with someone, I pay attention to their response. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #121

Really? Remember Me Jan 2012 #170

No. Those are all accurate. Do your own googling. nt lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #180

let me get back to you later BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2012 #189

You're right, BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2012 #192

Thanks for the reply. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #195

Yet another thread to hide. Quantess Jan 2012 #102

yes see definition 2.b and 2.c CreekDog Jan 2012 #108

seriously Lex Jan 2012 #112

OP was going to make his point, even if posting the definition undermined it CreekDog Jan 2012 #116

"Excellent! I cried. "Elementary," said he. Zorra Jan 2012 #114

A better question using your definitions would be: Cleita Jan 2012 #109

quite so! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2012 #118

I like the powerful and disempowered. It says what it is. Cleita Jan 2012 #130

yeah.....money talks. :( BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2012 #193

Here is an example of how equality is measured by those grinding this particular axe. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #136

it's late now..... BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2012 #194

This is a good example of the "I need to poke harder" syndrome. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #196

Everything before the comma would be a good question. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #120

A group having little power or representation relative to other groups within a society LanternWaste Jan 2012 #126

According to one of your definitions they are. Cleita Jan 2012 #129

2. a. Iggo Jan 2012 #131

Most emphatically YES musette_sf Jan 2012 #132

There were areas of the antebellum South LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #135

Okay, one at a time. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #137

There's been collaborators in every oppressive regime LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #151

No. She was screwing the hired help. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #154

Did I say she should? LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #157

Yes. By the very definitions you posted, women can be considered a minority. Matariki Jan 2012 #138

What is your opinion on this, Jeff? Nt DevonRex Jan 2012 #139

Heh. I prefer to remain inscruitable. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #141

The US Governemt classifies women Liquorice Jan 2012 #140

Perhaps I can give you some cut and paste pointers lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #142

Yes, but they are given minority status, so under the law they are treated as a minority. Liquorice Jan 2012 #143

This message was self-deleted by its author Bunny Jan 2012 #144

And under the law, ketchup was treated as a vegetable. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #146

you don't seem to respond to proof that your OP is wrong CreekDog Jan 2012 #177

No, he doesn't, because he doesn't liberalhistorian Jan 2012 #205

arguably an oppressed majority, but not a minority. south african black during aparthied were never arely staircase Jan 2012 #148

Good point. I'm baffled by some DUers' desire to use the word "minority". Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #149

well it is natural to associate the word with historically oppressed groups because they usually are arely staircase Jan 2012 #158

Because the OP is attempting to cast women as oppressors of men CreekDog Jan 2012 #191

Very good point LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #153

thanks, arely staircase Jan 2012 #156

In some ways, but then again, so are men... MellowDem Jan 2012 #159

If they could only HEAR us over their whining!!!! Remember Me Jan 2012 #173

Calling it whining is offensive and counterproductive... MellowDem Jan 2012 #179

Yes, we fall into 2 b. varelse Jan 2012 #162

Say, have you heard about the 99%? spooky3 Jan 2012 #175

Yes. joshcryer Jan 2012 #176

2b nt Capitalocracy Jan 2012 #178

Definition 1b is certainly accurate, as are 2a and 2b. Saving Hawaii Jan 2012 #181

Calling women a "minority" is another way of marginalization REP Jan 2012 #190

Not a minority in numbers, but in the way we are treated. Beacool Jan 2012 #207