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Showing Original Post only (View all)Tim Wise: Race-Talk is a Language White Folks Need to Learn [View all]
Ive been white long enough to know there are different reasons why so many of my group have a hard time discussing race and racism in America.
For some, its about their own biases, which they seek to deny or at least keep from view, lest people conclude theyre not as open-minded as they profess. For others, its defensiveness at the mention of ongoing inequality and unfairness still faced by persons of color. After all, acknowledging those might call into question the legitimacy of their own social status. A third group would rather talk about class, gender, or sexuality areas where, because of their relationship to those identities, they can focus on where they got hurt, rather than where they were advantaged (even as both things can be true, and often are).
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What white people hear when Black folks say white people
If youre not from the South or didnt grow up in a large city with a significant number of Black folks, you likely dont speak the language of race.
As a result, when Black people start talking about race and racism, you think theyre talking about you.
When they talk about white people, you think they mean all 200 million white Americans, all the time, including those that were just delivered and havent even gotten their Apgar scores yet.
You believe their indictment of whiteness is personal because you dont understand the broad and symbolic way Black Americans use language.
When Black people say white people or white folks, 9 times out of 10, they are not referring to 200 million individuals called white. For lack of a better way to put it, they are speaking of Whiteness, Inc. As in, the corporate entity registered in Delaware for tax purposes but with branch offices all over the country.
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When Black people talk shit about white folks or whiteness, they are typically talking about whiteness as a state of mind. In fact, thats what the late, great comedian, Dick Gregory, said whiteness was and all it was.
https://timjwise.medium.com/race-talk-is-a-language-white-folks-need-to-learn-c12a0c8091f8
For some, its about their own biases, which they seek to deny or at least keep from view, lest people conclude theyre not as open-minded as they profess. For others, its defensiveness at the mention of ongoing inequality and unfairness still faced by persons of color. After all, acknowledging those might call into question the legitimacy of their own social status. A third group would rather talk about class, gender, or sexuality areas where, because of their relationship to those identities, they can focus on where they got hurt, rather than where they were advantaged (even as both things can be true, and often are).
...
What white people hear when Black folks say white people
If youre not from the South or didnt grow up in a large city with a significant number of Black folks, you likely dont speak the language of race.
As a result, when Black people start talking about race and racism, you think theyre talking about you.
When they talk about white people, you think they mean all 200 million white Americans, all the time, including those that were just delivered and havent even gotten their Apgar scores yet.
You believe their indictment of whiteness is personal because you dont understand the broad and symbolic way Black Americans use language.
When Black people say white people or white folks, 9 times out of 10, they are not referring to 200 million individuals called white. For lack of a better way to put it, they are speaking of Whiteness, Inc. As in, the corporate entity registered in Delaware for tax purposes but with branch offices all over the country.
...
When Black people talk shit about white folks or whiteness, they are typically talking about whiteness as a state of mind. In fact, thats what the late, great comedian, Dick Gregory, said whiteness was and all it was.
https://timjwise.medium.com/race-talk-is-a-language-white-folks-need-to-learn-c12a0c8091f8
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Interesting how it sounds if you make the same argument in the converse ...
Hugh_Lebowski
Sep 2021
#7
Not being defensive, I just found it amusing that if you reverse the words
Hugh_Lebowski
Sep 2021
#12
Text inversion is not a good tool for exposing biases. But it IS a good tool for obfuscating them
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#43
This would be "interesting" only if we didn't live in a white supremacy.
WhiskeyGrinder
Sep 2021
#16
There are plenty of white people in Democratic/leftist/progressive spaces who perpetrate the white-
WhiskeyGrinder
Sep 2021
#17
White people telling Black people "if you want real change, do it the way I tell you to do it"
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#19
Let me make it "less meta". Defeating racism by using racism causes unnecessary conflict.
TigressDem
Oct 2021
#48
Don't agree with everything, but maybe you ARE helping me understand it differently.
TigressDem
Oct 2021
#83
You think we can't talk about any kind of white privilege unless we prove that
StarfishSaver
Oct 2021
#51
Mentioning race isn't an issue. NEVER going BEYOND that and making it ALL about race is still racism
TigressDem
Oct 2021
#65
Isn't it funny how sometimes people can actually agree on core issues, but argue a lot?
TigressDem
Oct 2021
#74
IF I were giving orders on how it should happen before..... we wouldn't be talking.
TigressDem
Oct 2021
#64
It's not up to you to "take the conversation FARTHER" by telling everyone what you think
StarfishSaver
Oct 2021
#70
Yes, it's probably better for you to try to start a conversation on race that's more to your liking
StarfishSaver
Oct 2021
#77
I didn't ask anyone to "build a bridge TO me" but traditionally people working together ...
TigressDem
Oct 2021
#85
Where I was growing up, there was similar sentiment, but against Blacks.
Decoy of Fenris
Sep 2021
#15
You're equating Black people being called "nigger" with white people being called "white people"?
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#20
You think black people being called nigger and white people being called white people has the same r
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#23
I'd agree that the words/phrases don't carry the same weight, to be sure.
Decoy of Fenris
Sep 2021
#24
They not only don't carry the same weight, they should never be equated in a discussion like this
StarfishSaver
Sep 2021
#26
It is more like being called "boy" or saying "black people" do X because they are black.
TigressDem
Oct 2021
#52
You keep telling us what the conversation must consist of before you'll engage in it
StarfishSaver
Oct 2021
#53
K&R. Posting this article really illustrates the need for an article like this.
WhiskeyGrinder
Sep 2021
#18