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BannonsLiver

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97. Depends on where the person lives

Thu Sep 23, 2021, 01:11 PM

Sep 2021

There are large swaths of flyover country where $31,500 ($15 an hour) is okay for a single person, but not a family of 4. I think it’s important to remember that everyone doesn’t live in Manhattan, the Bay Area or the greater Los Angeles metropolitan area.

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Restaurant owner realizes he lost all his employees not due to unemployment aid, but poaching [View all] ck4829 Sep 2021 OP

Can't pay staff a living wage? liberalmuse Sep 2021 #1

EXACTLY! NT Happy Hoosier Sep 2021 #8

It's a great lesson for these businesses jimfields33 Sep 2021 #9

Except that he didn't learn. soldierant Sep 2021 #125

Yes... and no MissMillie Sep 2021 #13

Agreed. If he's implying that bigger chain stores took his employees Merlot Sep 2021 #45

When folks talk about supporting small business...Mom and Pop...I always think back to my days Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #127

They're claiming it's the size advantage IronLionZion Sep 2021 #26

Agreed Red Mountain Sep 2021 #119

if you can't pay a fair wage you shouldn't have a business scarytomcat Sep 2021 #30

There are way too many business owners who believe that's the way to run a business. jaxexpat Sep 2021 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2021 #32

The real shame is even $15/hr is not a living wage. LakeArenal Sep 2021 #54

Depends on where the person lives BannonsLiver Sep 2021 #97

No $15.00 an hour is not a living wage even in Ohio anymore...but it is better than less and with Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #128

These guys would be a lot more competitive if we had national health care...nt albacore Sep 2021 #84

You are correct. Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2021 #124

Sure but it won't happen anytime soon. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #129

if the US had national healthcare........ RicROC Sep 2021 #141

What's a livable wage? BannonsLiver Sep 2021 #92

There's no consensus because it varies Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #110

Depends. Elessar Zappa Sep 2021 #113

Dan Price, CEO of Gravity, established $70,000/yr as his company's minimum wage. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 2021 #139

Very difficult for a small family owned restaurant to pay staff $70k a year. BannonsLiver Sep 2021 #148

His Profit Margin Went Up, Too ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #150

It was about 5 years ago. Juice business opened in our town and posted Help wanted in the local 3Hotdogs Sep 2021 #126

But but, it's only the "Free Market" when it works for me.... TheRealNorth Sep 2021 #2

But you're right. If you can't make your overhead, including labor, you can't stay in business. rickyhall Sep 2021 #18

I would hazard a guess that "reasonable wage", as defined by him, and "living, thriving niyad Sep 2021 #3

No benefits? Diamond_Dog Sep 2021 #4

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+1 c-rational Sep 2021 #44

Our local walmart is now starting at a whopping $20.80. GemDigger Sep 2021 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2021 #67

But for how many hours per week? TexasBushwhacker Sep 2021 #120

I'm sure he's perfectly willing to give them the benefit of helping fill out their SNAP application Rabrrrrrr Sep 2021 #73

Economies of scale at work radicalleft Sep 2021 #5

I think if we want to preserve mom-and-pop stores, then we should be arguing for UBI ck4829 Sep 2021 #7

No, these people are in it to make money. I have no desire to support a Mom and Pop business. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #130

Bingo! MissMillie Sep 2021 #17

Yes, small businesses aren't on a level playing field. Wingus Dingus Sep 2021 #50

A lot of people in the thread cheering that on BannonsLiver Sep 2021 #88

Agreed... radicalleft Sep 2021 #91

Yeah I don't expect BannonsLiver Sep 2021 #96

The anti-immigration sentiment has a lot to do with this too MoonlitKnight Sep 2021 #6

Exactly, but I checked him out and his place is gourmet tacos LeftInTX Sep 2021 #40

Poor baby... MineralMan Sep 2021 #10

The morals of a lot of these small business owners are awful Johnny2X2X Sep 2021 #11

My sister found this out personally, when she went to work for a friend's restaurant Coventina Sep 2021 #23

My wife Johnny2X2X Sep 2021 #28

A garden center??? LeftInTX Sep 2021 #57

Some friendship, eh? Thank goodness she saw the light and got out quickly, after realizing... SWBTATTReg Sep 2021 #80

The owner at my previous job said... kirkuchiyo Sep 2021 #27

+1000 Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #131

I'm sure the poacher SallyHemmings Sep 2021 #12

I get that small employers can't afford to provide benefits. 70sEraVet Sep 2021 #14

I'm tired of the "Medicare for All" argument MissMillie Sep 2021 #25

I'm on Medicare, and I agree with you - its not enough. 70sEraVet Sep 2021 #35

We need Medicaid for All. Elessar Zappa Sep 2021 #36

Well, besides the monthly premium MissMillie Sep 2021 #41

We can afford it. Elessar Zappa Sep 2021 #42

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LOL... we got out of Afghanistan and INCREASED the DoD budget MissMillie Sep 2021 #47

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The benefit of the increase goes to the military contractors MissMillie Sep 2021 #55

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Indeed - healthcare is a human right and many countries get that. GoneOffShore Sep 2021 #75

Medicare for all legislation abolishes Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #142

I wasn't aware of that MissMillie Sep 2021 #145

We can't even get Democrats to agree on Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #149

No then they shouldn't be in business. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #132

The benefit point isn't unfair dsc Sep 2021 #15

It always baffles me Elessar Zappa Sep 2021 #20

I agree. Even large corporations would benefit. 70sEraVet Sep 2021 #38

+1 (n/t) MissMillie Sep 2021 #48

Many large corporations... Xolodno Sep 2021 #79

The ACA has helped with this...small companies can take advanage of it if they choose too. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #133

Texas didn't expand Medicaid Horse with no Name Sep 2021 #138

Larger issue edhopper Sep 2021 #16

+1 MissMillie Sep 2021 #19

I am always amazed edhopper Sep 2021 #21

The downside would be Unions Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #115

"reasonable wage" equals 50 cents more than minimum wage JT45242 Sep 2021 #22

I'm not sure BannonsLiver Sep 2021 #89

Maybe someday you'll get over the trauma. ret5hd Sep 2021 #107

Or, as Chris Rock says, Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #116

"Why won't people work for my shitty wages?!?!?" durablend Sep 2021 #24

Here in Ohio, companies before the pandemic who were paying terrible wage like 10 bucks and hour Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #134

Better Pay Generally Boosts Productivity, Too ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #151

I agree. And many have been living pretty good on the backs of their workers...times up folks. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #152

You know who will willingly work James48 Sep 2021 #29

I am not a small business owner but, maybe this demands some analysis before trying to throw Escurumbele Sep 2021 #31

Universal heath care would be a HUGE boost to small companies. PaulRevere08 Sep 2021 #59

100% with you. Free education as well. Escurumbele Sep 2021 #64

The restaurant is in McKinney, Texas. TexasTowelie Sep 2021 #63

I used "Workers Comp" insurance as an example, so lets put that one aside and talk about health Escurumbele Sep 2021 #74

The median income in McKinney in 2019 was close to $90,000 a year. Lonestarblue Sep 2021 #76

I knew that McKinney is one of the wealthier suburbs, but I didn't recall what the median income is. TexasTowelie Sep 2021 #98

The WC policy I had with Travellers Mosby Sep 2021 #81

I worked with the Texas Department of Insurance and started out by coding statistical data TexasTowelie Sep 2021 #103

Stop trying to obnoxiousdrunk Sep 2021 #94

I am a small business owner and know many of them are right wing assholes JI7 Sep 2021 #111

If I am not mistaken, Texas does not require employers Horse with no Name Sep 2021 #137

The employees didn't like the way the restaurant cooked their eggs? DemocraticPatriot Sep 2021 #33

we had a chance to raise the minimum wage to $15.00. the rs and businness blew it. AllaN01Bear Sep 2021 #37

Still do. Why not lump it in with the $3.5T bill fescuerescue Sep 2021 #69

Don't forget about Sen. Kirsten Sinema and her little thumbs down curtsy. panader0 Sep 2021 #83

me thinks shes a false flag. when is she due for reelection? AllaN01Bear Sep 2021 #87

McKinney TX appears to have every fast food and chain restaurant in the US Klaralven Sep 2021 #39

This is a "gourmet" taco place, so you never know LeftInTX Sep 2021 #51

So it was supposedly a "reasonable wage" and yet he lost employee's to cstanleytech Sep 2021 #43

The guy didn't start a business. He bought himself a job... S/V Loner Sep 2021 #52

Yup, his employees paid for his job. SunSeeker Sep 2021 #140

Sounds like some folks don't want to work for poor wages for him to realize his dream of owning 33taw Sep 2021 #53

Bummer. chwaliszewski Sep 2021 #56

"Next thing you know they'll want time off for a family funeral." lpbk2713 Sep 2021 #58

Maybe he should spend more on salaries than horde it into his expensive house and multiple cars. Crowman2009 Sep 2021 #62

Mr Horton, if your business can only survive offering slave wages with no benefits AZLD4Candidate Sep 2021 #65

If a Fat Cat millionaire restaurant owner can't pay his employees fescuerescue Sep 2021 #66

I doubt he's a millionaire but Elessar Zappa Sep 2021 #77

Business should be required to put up a large bond before going into business fescuerescue Sep 2021 #95

I live in McKinney and have no idea even where it is JCMach1 Sep 2021 #101

Well, toots, if they didn't need benefits from employers b/c we all get them from government... n/t TygrBright Sep 2021 #70

Would he work for such a "reasonable wage"? keithbvadu2 Sep 2021 #71

"I can't find people willing to sacrifice and screw themselves for my business - this is unfair! Rabrrrrrr Sep 2021 #72

💯 live love laugh Sep 2021 #105

That is how markets work. Sherman A1 Sep 2021 #78

"I can't...offer them any kind of benefits." Grins Sep 2021 #82

The smart owners and managers understand that good employees FakeNoose Sep 2021 #85

Interesting. We are moving into a service economy. pandr32 Sep 2021 #86

Poaching is a real issue in our little lake town in Virginia. phylny Sep 2021 #90

So, are you saying... ret5hd Sep 2021 #108

Ha! phylny Sep 2021 #118

kinda like the story I read (might be anecdotal) the owner was mad coz KG Sep 2021 #93

That is what I am finding thru out the process is pulling teeth how much they are paying. LizBeth Sep 2021 #147

There was just a business owner complaining about this in my town's Facebook group liberal_mama Sep 2021 #99

OK...maybe that's legit radicalleft Sep 2021 #102

Straight up, he's not. No restaurant jobs are below $12 in McKinney JCMach1 Sep 2021 #100

He's full of 💩: He wouldn't even say what he pays. live love laugh Sep 2021 #104

Piling on, but bears repeated, don't start a business if you can't pay but scraps, exploity much? Brainfodder Sep 2021 #106

"Poaching," lol Withywindle Sep 2021 #112

MIT's Living Wage Calculator is quite interesting. Surprised me a great deal. Ziggysmom Sep 2021 #114

Fix the immigration problem and employ the refugees randr Sep 2021 #117

...under the same living wage and benefits... ret5hd Sep 2021 #121

I watch Restaurant Impossible BigmanPigman Sep 2021 #122

"Don't like it, work somewhere else!" Grokenstein Sep 2021 #123

The pandemic laid bare Ellen Forradalom Sep 2021 #135

This is one of the reasons why the US needs to adopt some form of universal care. Renew Deal Sep 2021 #136

huh Dorian Gray Sep 2021 #143

Sounds like Paul Horton's business model isn't equipped for profit Mr. Ected Sep 2021 #144

Horton hasn't figured it out bluecollar2 Sep 2021 #146