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StarfishSaver

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31. Inherent contempt sounds great but is virtually unworkable in practice
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 10:02 AM
Sep 2021

Under its Inherent Contempt powers, Congress can try to compel witnesses to appear through two enforcement mechanisms - arrest and monetary fines.

In order to arrest someone, Congress would cite the witness for Contempt of Congress and issue an arrest warrant, ordering the Sergeant-at-Arms to take them into custody and bring them before the Committee or detain them until they agree to appear.

However, the Sergeant-at-Arms' jurisdiction is limited by statute to the Capitol complex and a tight radius around it. The SAA did deputize someone to make an arrest in Ohio nearly 90 years ago and the court upheld the arrest, but that case probably wouldn't be binding today for a couple of reasons. First, that occurred before the SAA jurisdiction was limited by statute and second, and importantly, the defendant in that case challenged the SAA's subject-matter jurisdiction (the right to arrest), but not it's geographical jurisdiction (where that arrest can be done). The distinction is rather complicated but critical - in short, they argued that the House didn't have the power to arrest them at all. The court rejected that argument and said the House did have the power to have them arrested. But they didn't claim - so the court didn't rule on the issue - that the SAA didn't have jurisdiction to arrest them in Ohio, off of Capitol grounds

If the House orders someone arrested, as soon as the warrant is issued, the subject would immediately go to court challenging the inherent contempt authority in general and the arrest in particular and get an injunction preventing the arrest during the pendancy of the litigation. And one of the arguments the defendant would use to prevent the arrest is that the SAA lacks the jurisdiction to arrest them unless they're within a specific perimeter of the Capitol. And since it's unlikely that any of the witnesses would be wandering around the Capitol complex, this alternative is not workable.

The other alternative for enforcement under the Inherent Contempt power is to impose a fine. But, just as an arrest warrant would be challenged, the minute a fine is imposed, the witness would immediately go to court to contest it and the case would end up being litigated for some time.

Bottom line, even if the House tries to use its inherent contempt authority to arrest or fine someone, no one will be arrested any time soon and no fine will be collected in the near future.

As I said, Inherent Contempt sounds good, but it would not have the results many people think it would have. It would really be just a waste of time.


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I am not sure anything with testimony, I believe they will take the 5th Bev54 Sep 2021 #1
I suspect the committee will learn it was a waste of time, but I can be cynical. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2021 #2
I'd say that is quite an assumption. kentuck Sep 2021 #3
This thread isn't for arguing about WHETHER they'll testify StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #4
Assuming they testify... kentuck Sep 2021 #5
It depends StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #6
In my opinion, they are trying to put the evidence together in regards to what the CinC... kentuck Sep 2021 #8
The subpoena was worded perfectly StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #12
I agree that is the right approach for them to take. kentuck Sep 2021 #21
I don't think they're inviting cooperation StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #23
I think they would prefer that witnesses cooperate but... kentuck Sep 2021 #25
There is no executive privilege dweller Sep 2021 #7
There actually is executive privilege for communications he had when he was president. StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #9
Would it not work in this case, because it is a criminal investigation? kentuck Sep 2021 #11
Executive privilege doesn't protect criminal activity StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #13
Right. I do not think Bannon would fall under any executive privilege protection... kentuck Sep 2021 #15
Yes, I agree on all counts StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #16
That would be nice to see. kentuck Sep 2021 #18
Of course... kentuck Sep 2021 #10
They can go to court, but I don't think they can drag it out the way it was done in the Trump yea StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #14
Perhaps that is why we got the statement from the White House, thru the Washington Post... kentuck Sep 2021 #17
Yes, I think ao StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #19
Yeah, it seems it is getting down to the nitty gritty... kentuck Sep 2021 #20
I agree StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #22
Bannon and Patel just plain can't under any theory dsc Sep 2021 #29
Depends DET Sep 2021 #24
I think the White House would prefer not to get involved... kentuck Sep 2021 #26
Asking this as a person that does NOT understand legal issues here. bluestarone Sep 2021 #27
If it were going to happen? kentuck Sep 2021 #28
AGREE! bluestarone Sep 2021 #30
Inherent contempt sounds great but is virtually unworkable in practice StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #31
Could i try one more time while we are addressing this process? bluestarone Sep 2021 #33
Members of Congress can't be arrested on their way to vote or while attending a session StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #34
Well there's that. bluestarone Sep 2021 #35
... StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #36
Maybe more than we realize PRETZEL Sep 2021 #32
Interesting StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #37
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