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thucythucy

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53. If allocating medical resources to achieve the best survival rate
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:20 PM
Sep 2021

is the standard, then many facilities may already be violating or on the verge of violating that principle.

The statistics, last I saw them, seemed to indicate that once someone with Covid and not vaccinated had been on a ventilator for more than a couple of weeks their chance of survival was practically nill.

Yet we're already seeing people suffering with heart attacks and strokes--whose chances for survival are fair to excellent with prompt treatment--having their treatment delayed on account of non-vaccinated Covid patients taking up all available ER slots and ICU beds. I've seen statements from public health officials in states like Arkansas saying that people in car accidents or other medical emergencies requiring intensive care may have to be driven or flown out of state because all the available beds in that state are now filled, with a very significant number of those beds occupied by non-vaccinated Covid patients.

Right now the guiding principle seems to be: first come, first served, regardless of the severity or survivability of those needing care subsequent to whichever Covid patients have arrived minutes or hours or days before. This is in a sense understandable, but if the situation deteriorates (as I'm almost certain it will) the numbers of non-Covid patients forced to delay needed treatment or suffering life altering disability or even death because of the lack of medical resources in certain localities will rise to the point where the anger we're already seeing will also rise.

It's long past time we stopped placating the most ignorant and narcissistic and deluded among us. Right now I think the only way to forestall an even more tragic situation is mandatory vaccination for anyone not medically unable to tolerate the shots. This should have happened as soon as the vaccines became available, but our politics prevented it.

As for future pandemics, hopefully these won't occur in the context of an administration as incompetent, as corrupt, and as immoral as what we saw prior to January 20th. Had the initial response followed the guidelines laid down by the Obama administration and the genuine public health authorities I think the situation today would be vastly different.

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Not diabetics, not alcoholics. So noted. But can I still compare them to orcs? Bucky Sep 2021 #1
Be my guest. GaYellowDawg Sep 2021 #2
They are ZOMBIES! They are Toxic. They can spread their disease. They want to eat your brain. Ford_Prefect Sep 2021 #3
I think it must be the kidneys or liver Piasladic Sep 2021 #4
They're more like bioterror suicide bombers. Crunchy Frog Sep 2021 #5
In wartime, even captured enemy soldiers wnylib Sep 2021 #10
Did I say suicide bombers shouldn't get treatment? Crunchy Frog Sep 2021 #12
Why the concern with priority? wnylib Sep 2021 #29
People are angry and saying things to let off steam. Crunchy Frog Sep 2021 #31
What makes you think that I don't wnylib Sep 2021 #36
The sad fact is that in some places we are already "prioritizing" care. thucythucy Sep 2021 #44
Not if suicide bombers are clogging up the hospitals kcr Sep 2021 #52
How do diabetics allegedly compare to anti-vaxxers???? marble falls Sep 2021 #6
Antivaxxers will say that if antivaxxers shouldn't be treated for Covid at hospitals pnwmom Sep 2021 #14
No logic there. marble falls Sep 2021 #16
i've never heard that before. what morons if they are comparing the two. nt orleans Sep 2021 #24
Some posters on DU are drawing false equivalencies between unvaxxed patients and diabetic patients. Crunchy Frog Sep 2021 #18
I have not seen this. That makes no sense. Example please Celerity Sep 2021 #19
Post #17 in the thread linked below. Crunchy Frog Sep 2021 #22
Thanks. Yes, a poor post. Glad this is a rare thing. Cheers. nt Celerity Sep 2021 #25
I haven't seen it and I sincerely hope that nobody but DU jurors got to see it TexasTowelie Sep 2021 #26
See the post referred here. It hasn't been hidden. Crunchy Frog Sep 2021 #32
Thank you. TexasTowelie Sep 2021 #38
Oh, dear lord. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2021 #7
I....honestly have never seen a vax / diabetic comparison Skittles Sep 2021 #8
Neither have I canetoad Sep 2021 #11
Diabetics are more vulnerable to wnylib Sep 2021 #13
Omg cate94 Sep 2021 #30
Health and medical issues are common wnylib Sep 2021 #34
thismakesnosense Shellback Squid Sep 2021 #42
I have. They say people with diabetes and certain other conditions are more likely pnwmom Sep 2021 #15
non seq Nasruddin Sep 2021 #21
It's troll logic kcr Sep 2021 #51
Nor have I, certianly not in the way a few on this thread are claiming (with no evidence). Celerity Sep 2021 #20
Evidence was posted. nt Crunchy Frog Sep 2021 #23
I have seen it a number of times on Facebook. Sorry I can't give you a link pnwmom Sep 2021 #27
Another poster gave me a link. Cheers. Celerity Sep 2021 #28
I have not seen this comparison. cate94 Sep 2021 #9
See my #13. wnylib Sep 2021 #17
Sick people need treatment. Aussie105 Sep 2021 #33
I am so sorry, that makes no sense. Rhiannon12866 Sep 2021 #35
Type 1 autoimmune? usaf-vet Sep 2021 #37
Interesting Sherman A1 Sep 2021 #39
It's apparently in response to one poster in another thread Sympthsical Sep 2021 #50
This is all about a single post in another thread? You are making a whole new thread about it Scrivener7 Sep 2021 #40
+1 Scrivener7 Devil Child Sep 2021 #41
The general question is "should people who engage in self destructive behaviors receive treatment"? Klaralven Sep 2021 #43
The fact that this is a pandemic thucythucy Sep 2021 #46
The moral principle of triage is to allocate medical resources to achieve the best survival rate Klaralven Sep 2021 #49
If allocating medical resources to achieve the best survival rate thucythucy Sep 2021 #53
Jim Fixx the running and fitness guru died of a heart attack at 52 Arazi Sep 2021 #55
Most laws interfering with the use of tobacco, alcohol and drugs intend to prevent unhealthy choices Klaralven Sep 2021 #56
I was not aware this community had sunk so low. Thanks for speaking out... Hekate Sep 2021 #45
Sure it's wrong and very offensive when it occurs, but keep perspective. Hortensis Sep 2021 #47
Thank you for this post. thucythucy Sep 2021 #48
The two conditions are in not way similar LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #54
Now that some states are to the point of rationing healthcare catrose Sep 2021 #57
Happy to rec. Treefrog Sep 2021 #58
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