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qazplm135

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34. Do you know for a fact
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 12:17 AM
Sep 2021

that they agreed to anything?

I don't. I don't think you do either.

For all we know, they told everyone they weren't on board the whole time, and folks went ahead anyways thinking they could get them there in the end.

Do I think they are right to oppose it? No. Would I be ok if they chopped it down to like 2.8 Trillion ish? Sure. There's nothing sacred about 3.5. Would I be happy if it went all the way down to 1 to 1.5 trillion? Not at all.

Does any of my feelings matter regardless? Nope.

The reality remains. They get to object and cut, and progressives have to decide if whatever the ultimate result is, is worth voting for the bipartisan bill, and moderates have to assume progressives will vote no on the latter if moderates go too far and decide whether they want THAT bill or not.

So really, both sides have some choices to make. The problem is that the progressives are more or less one voice, but the moderates have different camps. Sinema doesn't want any tax increase but wants to pay for it using carbon tax, but that won't work because well it wouldn't fund it if we keep the no taxes under 400K rule, and Manchin ain't going for it. Manchin will go with some tax increases but apparently Sinema won't. Then you have a few other moderates who all want various things included or taken out (like prescription drugs).

Here's the deal, we don't have to do everything in one bill. Get what we can this time around, and then try and get some more later. If ultimately we get say 2.5 Trillion, that's still 3.5 trillion in infrastructure plus 2 trillion in covid relief for 5.5 trillion dollars going out to people.

You telling me that's a progressive disaster??

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the house version of manchin nt msongs Sep 2021 #1
You couldn't be more off base- the CPC supports Biden's entire agenda, Manchin doesn't. Nt Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #2
Republicans like the bill. jimfields33 Sep 2021 #18
Only 5-6 GOP yes votes vs. 60+ CPC no votes. There will be no vote on Thursday Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #19
No dsc Sep 2021 #5
This. Salviati Sep 2021 #11
I have to disagree because the progressive caucus is trying to pass Biden's full agenda. femmedem Sep 2021 #6
Here's the difference qazplm135 Sep 2021 #7
3.5 trillion already was a compromise, and a concession FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #15
well qazplm135 Sep 2021 #21
One can only wonder which side FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #22
I'm on the reality side qazplm135 Sep 2021 #23
Reality also requires the progressive votes. FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #24
sure qazplm135 Sep 2021 #26
It comes down to who is living up to their word, FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #28
It comes down to power qazplm135 Sep 2021 #29
Probably, but if it's OK for power to trump integrity and honesty, FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #30
what do you want from me? qazplm135 Sep 2021 #31
Can't do that, FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #32
Do you know for a fact qazplm135 Sep 2021 #34
No I didn't personally witness it, but it was reported that way. FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #37
I think the reporting qazplm135 Sep 2021 #38
Wrong. FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #16
How? Jayapal and the CPC stick to a deal made months ago, Manchin throws sand in the gears... JHB Sep 2021 #17
Exactly..I'm sick of them, Manchin and Sinema..nt helpisontheway Sep 2021 #25
Then nothing will pass, and if there is no compromise then 2022 will be interesting JohnSJ Sep 2021 #3
Right. Nt helpisontheway Sep 2021 #27
Who is going to blink first if the alternative is to get neither the bi-partisan or reconciliation PoliticAverse Sep 2021 #4
She can seek to pass it qazplm135 Sep 2021 #8
One thing Pelosi has said which I believe she really means... PoliticAverse Sep 2021 #9
I believe it too qazplm135 Sep 2021 #12
Sounds like McConnell is determined to tank both in the Senate. Freethinker65 Sep 2021 #10
Manchin has indicated he doesn't care if the Build Back Better Act reconcillation bill passes PoliticAverse Sep 2021 #13
Never pay attention to what Manchin says, only what he actually does. Nt Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #20
McConnell can't tank either bill Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #36
Sigh Me. Sep 2021 #14
Good. Their deal was already agreed upon. budkin Sep 2021 #33
Jayapal is my rep. ismnotwasm Sep 2021 #35
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