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17. It's not a "progressive agenda" it's Biden's agenda

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Fri Oct 1, 2021, 09:36 AM

Oct 2021

Supported by progressive and moderate legislators and a majority of Americans, including Republicans.

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Joe Manchin is right [View all] Edwcraig Oct 2021 OP

Only Problem Wit Dat WHITT Oct 2021 #1

So it sounds like Manchin 100% reneged, I was on the side of Manchin acting like Collins and ... uponit7771 Oct 2021 #9

Except that it never happened FBaggins Oct 2021 #24

This. In July Manchin lays out his goals in comradebillyboy Oct 2021 #25

I'm not sure that it's Schumer misrepresenting FBaggins Oct 2021 #27

It doesn't matter. Joe Manchin should support Joe Biden. UCmeNdc Oct 2021 #33

I can't think of a single president who ever enjoyed unanimity in their party FBaggins Oct 2021 #36

Manchin misrepresented himself, he has pretty much admitted Bev54 Oct 2021 #34

Not at all FBaggins Oct 2021 #35

That is the problem. Joe Manchin hasn't given in an inch. So everyone else has. UCmeNdc Oct 2021 #39

That's untrue as well FBaggins Oct 2021 #40

No, that is not true, Joe Manchin demanded a lower figure than the starting figure of 6-5 trillion UCmeNdc Oct 2021 #43

ah ... got it uponit7771 Oct 2021 #45

There was no such starting figure FBaggins Oct 2021 #47

Yes it was the initial figures being tossed around but was dropped due to Joe Manchin saying No UCmeNdc Oct 2021 #49

Not at all FBaggins Oct 2021 #55

thx uponit7771 Oct 2021 #44

No he is right. We progressives have done a crappy job winning hearts and minds...the last Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #48

I know a great place to start. n/t Harker Oct 2021 #2

That is a lame argument when he is one of two Senators blocking CentralMass Oct 2021 #3

It is NOT the progressive agenda, it is the Biden and almost all of the Democratic party's agenda Celerity Oct 2021 #4

+++ ... especially the last part. KPN Oct 2021 #15

Well, that is not the way I look at it. imanamerican63 Oct 2021 #5

The eagle can't fly with two right wings. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #6

+1, "One party has decided to burn the country down." If we as a country don't recognize this then uponit7771 Oct 2021 #13

Seems your subject line is missing a noun... hlthe2b Oct 2021 #7

Ugh. No, he isn't right. If you want to "save America" you need to legislate things like Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #8

Democratic party needs better messaging and stop blaming peripheral issues on bad infrastructure uponit7771 Oct 2021 #10

Better messaging is a frequent complaint Mad_Machine76 Oct 2021 #16

Forum feedback, Social Media and AM radio in rural areas is places dems outright haven't invested uponit7771 Oct 2021 #46

Fuck No! Let's get something very clear: Manchin is sinking BIDEN'S plan berni_mccoy Oct 2021 #11

Manchin does not have to be "liberal" to be a Democrat (true) Mad_Machine76 Oct 2021 #12

77% of WV support Biden's bill. 80% of Manchin's voters support it. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #18

Well consider if the big donors turn against him and don't support his reelection and possibly help Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #51

Don't know WTF Nader has to do with Manchin. But I don't think Manchin cares about votes. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #52

The reason Manchin and other Democrats need all this campaign cash is because Nader beat Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #57

Joe Manchin is out of synch with almost every other Democrat in KPN Oct 2021 #14

It's not a "progressive agenda" it's Biden's agenda Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #17

I don't think the OP is an actual progressive. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #19

+1 Celerity Oct 2021 #23

Very od that you would think that being progressive means you do not have to be political Edwcraig Oct 2021 #38

Hmm, I don't think I said anything like that; you may be confusing me with somebody else. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #41

That is exactly what I think...you have to consider the political...and take off the rose colored Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #53

+1 Celerity Oct 2021 #22

He'd be a nobody in the GOP C_U_L8R Oct 2021 #20

... wing jcgoldie Oct 2021 #21

The Republican Party isn't "conservative", it's bat-shit full GQP SharonClark Oct 2021 #26

I wouldn't put much stock in this tweet from who? Looks like the Russians prodding division and ShazamIam Oct 2021 #28

No he is not right. pwb Oct 2021 #29

WTF? "Liberals are a fringe group of our Democratic Party"? lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #37

We have more states that liberals can't win than states they can win which is why we need moderates. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #54

We have more voters that conservatives can't win, than what they could win. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #56

It is not just the electoral college, it is also the Senate...and maybe you don't like it. I don't Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #59

OK, let's work to replace SineManchin with moderates. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #62

And one more point...it matters where the voters are...many of ours are in big blue states who only Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #60

It is Manchin's job to support the Dem agenda. LakeArenal Oct 2021 #30

Do you live in West Virginia? His job is to represent his constituent nothing less and nothing more. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #61

He's a Democrat elected by Democrats. LakeArenal Oct 2021 #66

And when AOC and others have voted against certain bills, why didn't I hear the same thing? Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #70

You didn't hear it from me. I am not a fan of what was said in the primary. LakeArenal Oct 2021 #75

But WHITT Oct 2021 #67

I do not believe those polls anyway but assume they are accurate because of Citizens United... Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #69

2010 here we come........ nt Carlitos Brigante Oct 2021 #31

It is Manchin's responsibility to support Joe Biden! UCmeNdc Oct 2021 #32

Manchin's an obstructive asshole at this point. Lars39 Oct 2021 #42

Climate change is a big fucking deal. We're running out of time while we play big tent with deniers jalan48 Oct 2021 #50

Then get the votes because it isn't happening without them. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #63

How do we get the votes to counter Manchin? jalan48 Oct 2021 #64

You make it possible to elect more Democrats by passing what is possible now. We work Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #71

Isn't this what the good folks in WVA did? Worked hard to get Manchin instead of a Republican? jalan48 Oct 2021 #72

You don't get it. Manchin will do what he does to get elected and that include considering donors. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #73

So electing more Dems may not be the answer? jalan48 Oct 2021 #74

I uhhh... uhhhh... Ohio Joe Oct 2021 #58

FAR right. 11 Bravo Oct 2021 #65

Lolol Celerity Oct 2021 #68