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LakeArenal

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66. He's a Democrat elected by Democrats.

Fri Oct 1, 2021, 02:51 PM

Oct 2021

I doesn’t matter about Biden. Democrats are not silent on their agenda. If Democrats are outnumbered in WV all the more reason for the Democrat to support Democrats. Polls say WV citizens want the infrastructure.

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Joe Manchin is right [View all] Edwcraig Oct 2021 OP

Only Problem Wit Dat WHITT Oct 2021 #1

So it sounds like Manchin 100% reneged, I was on the side of Manchin acting like Collins and ... uponit7771 Oct 2021 #9

Except that it never happened FBaggins Oct 2021 #24

This. In July Manchin lays out his goals in comradebillyboy Oct 2021 #25

I'm not sure that it's Schumer misrepresenting FBaggins Oct 2021 #27

It doesn't matter. Joe Manchin should support Joe Biden. UCmeNdc Oct 2021 #33

I can't think of a single president who ever enjoyed unanimity in their party FBaggins Oct 2021 #36

Manchin misrepresented himself, he has pretty much admitted Bev54 Oct 2021 #34

Not at all FBaggins Oct 2021 #35

That is the problem. Joe Manchin hasn't given in an inch. So everyone else has. UCmeNdc Oct 2021 #39

That's untrue as well FBaggins Oct 2021 #40

No, that is not true, Joe Manchin demanded a lower figure than the starting figure of 6-5 trillion UCmeNdc Oct 2021 #43

ah ... got it uponit7771 Oct 2021 #45

There was no such starting figure FBaggins Oct 2021 #47

Yes it was the initial figures being tossed around but was dropped due to Joe Manchin saying No UCmeNdc Oct 2021 #49

Not at all FBaggins Oct 2021 #55

thx uponit7771 Oct 2021 #44

No he is right. We progressives have done a crappy job winning hearts and minds...the last Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #48

I know a great place to start. n/t Harker Oct 2021 #2

That is a lame argument when he is one of two Senators blocking CentralMass Oct 2021 #3

It is NOT the progressive agenda, it is the Biden and almost all of the Democratic party's agenda Celerity Oct 2021 #4

+++ ... especially the last part. KPN Oct 2021 #15

Well, that is not the way I look at it. imanamerican63 Oct 2021 #5

The eagle can't fly with two right wings. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #6

+1, "One party has decided to burn the country down." If we as a country don't recognize this then uponit7771 Oct 2021 #13

Seems your subject line is missing a noun... hlthe2b Oct 2021 #7

Ugh. No, he isn't right. If you want to "save America" you need to legislate things like Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #8

Democratic party needs better messaging and stop blaming peripheral issues on bad infrastructure uponit7771 Oct 2021 #10

Better messaging is a frequent complaint Mad_Machine76 Oct 2021 #16

Forum feedback, Social Media and AM radio in rural areas is places dems outright haven't invested uponit7771 Oct 2021 #46

Fuck No! Let's get something very clear: Manchin is sinking BIDEN'S plan berni_mccoy Oct 2021 #11

Manchin does not have to be "liberal" to be a Democrat (true) Mad_Machine76 Oct 2021 #12

77% of WV support Biden's bill. 80% of Manchin's voters support it. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #18

Well consider if the big donors turn against him and don't support his reelection and possibly help Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #51

Don't know WTF Nader has to do with Manchin. But I don't think Manchin cares about votes. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #52

The reason Manchin and other Democrats need all this campaign cash is because Nader beat Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #57

Joe Manchin is out of synch with almost every other Democrat in KPN Oct 2021 #14

It's not a "progressive agenda" it's Biden's agenda Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #17

I don't think the OP is an actual progressive. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #19

+1 Celerity Oct 2021 #23

Very od that you would think that being progressive means you do not have to be political Edwcraig Oct 2021 #38

Hmm, I don't think I said anything like that; you may be confusing me with somebody else. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #41

That is exactly what I think...you have to consider the political...and take off the rose colored Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #53

+1 Celerity Oct 2021 #22

He'd be a nobody in the GOP C_U_L8R Oct 2021 #20

... wing jcgoldie Oct 2021 #21

The Republican Party isn't "conservative", it's bat-shit full GQP SharonClark Oct 2021 #26

I wouldn't put much stock in this tweet from who? Looks like the Russians prodding division and ShazamIam Oct 2021 #28

No he is not right. pwb Oct 2021 #29

WTF? "Liberals are a fringe group of our Democratic Party"? lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #37

We have more states that liberals can't win than states they can win which is why we need moderates. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #54

We have more voters that conservatives can't win, than what they could win. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #56

It is not just the electoral college, it is also the Senate...and maybe you don't like it. I don't Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #59

OK, let's work to replace SineManchin with moderates. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #62

And one more point...it matters where the voters are...many of ours are in big blue states who only Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #60

It is Manchin's job to support the Dem agenda. LakeArenal Oct 2021 #30

Do you live in West Virginia? His job is to represent his constituent nothing less and nothing more. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #61

He's a Democrat elected by Democrats. LakeArenal Oct 2021 #66

And when AOC and others have voted against certain bills, why didn't I hear the same thing? Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #70

You didn't hear it from me. I am not a fan of what was said in the primary. LakeArenal Oct 2021 #75

But WHITT Oct 2021 #67

I do not believe those polls anyway but assume they are accurate because of Citizens United... Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #69

2010 here we come........ nt Carlitos Brigante Oct 2021 #31

It is Manchin's responsibility to support Joe Biden! UCmeNdc Oct 2021 #32

Manchin's an obstructive asshole at this point. Lars39 Oct 2021 #42

Climate change is a big fucking deal. We're running out of time while we play big tent with deniers jalan48 Oct 2021 #50

Then get the votes because it isn't happening without them. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #63

How do we get the votes to counter Manchin? jalan48 Oct 2021 #64

You make it possible to elect more Democrats by passing what is possible now. We work Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #71

Isn't this what the good folks in WVA did? Worked hard to get Manchin instead of a Republican? jalan48 Oct 2021 #72

You don't get it. Manchin will do what he does to get elected and that include considering donors. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #73

So electing more Dems may not be the answer? jalan48 Oct 2021 #74

I uhhh... uhhhh... Ohio Joe Oct 2021 #58

FAR right. 11 Bravo Oct 2021 #65

Lolol Celerity Oct 2021 #68