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TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
73. My rapes taught me that any color of human can be cruel.
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 11:27 AM
Oct 2021

But it is hardly the ENTIRE argument. I simply think that while White Privilege surely exists and we must admit it and own it, to get BEYOND racism and into productive actions against it, we can do better than white wash or white trash entire parts of history.

Historically, I think we look at the actual facts and see where people were being intentionally cruel, where people were not educated or unaware of how their actions affected others and where people tried to help and may have made some progress.

With an HONEST unflinching appraisal which doesn't vilify all whites, which may BE the attempt to talk about White Privilege, but isn't how it plays out.... because any question or request for how to make things better results in being attacked as some type of white supremacist in hiding.... an HONEST unflinching appraisal will help identify problems and solutions.


As for my rapes. Plural.

My first was at a neighbor's house with my Mother and our neighbors. There was a Dad, a Mom, an older sister and a 16 year old boy.

I was being given a black baby doll by the older sister as a gesture of showing me to love and care for all kinds of people by the older sister.

They sent me down to the basement (most likely with no ill intent) with the 16 year old to retrieve the doll from their storage.

He proceeded to ask a 6 year old to "play a game" with him and took off my panties and stuck his dick inside me. I pushed him away because it hurt and he said "OK" gave me the doll and we went back upstairs. I had no idea at that age what the hell had just happened.

Later that year another older boy threatened to tell my Mom that me and his younger brother (5 years old and I was still 6) were doing naughty things if I didn't go into our basement crawl space with him. To protect the younger brother and myself I thought, I went with him. Same basic scenario with a 12 year old white boy as with the 16 year old. My Mother caught "us" and sent him home.

Lecherous "Uncle" tried to put his fingers down my panties. Also white. Chased me from one place to the next trying to get alone with me. I finally told a trusted adult what had been happening and they made that stop too.



NOW if I were to apply the reactions I have gotten for my questions to your question, I could assume you are just a pervert who gets off on listening to rape stories.

BUT I know most people here care about women and while they may feel a rape would color their opinions, wouldn't actually blame them for their rape or get off on the pain and anguish caused.

SO I give you the benefit of the doubt about your intentions and simply asked for that same rule of thumb to be applied to me as well.


Peace

Interesting read. brer cat Sep 2021 #1
K&R MustLoveBeagles Sep 2021 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Drum Sep 2021 #3
Obviously, given the depth of Wise's piece, that's NOT 'it, then" StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #6
I'll rescind my comment, with the acknowledgment that I'm uninformed n/t Drum Sep 2021 #8
... StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #10
K&R Solly Mack Sep 2021 #4
I don't even know if that applies, now that I live in Europe DFW Sep 2021 #5
Interesting how it sounds if you make the same argument in the converse ... Hugh_Lebowski Sep 2021 #7
Lol StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #9
Article talks about white defensiveness over race wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #11
Not being defensive, I just found it amusing that if you reverse the words Hugh_Lebowski Sep 2021 #12
:) Yes. It takes skill, and either a genuinely or determinedly Hortensis Sep 2021 #14
Text inversion like this is a really good tool for exposing biases Amishman Sep 2021 #38
Text inversion is nonsense wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #40
Text inversion is not a good tool for exposing biases. But it IS a good tool for obfuscating them StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #43
As useful as... tonedevil Sep 2021 #46
This would be "interesting" only if we didn't live in a white supremacy. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #16
So just call them the REICH WING and be clear. TigressDem Sep 2021 #13
There are plenty of white people in Democratic/leftist/progressive spaces who perpetrate the white- WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #17
White people telling Black people "if you want real change, do it the way I tell you to do it" StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #19
Bull Shit. TigressDem Sep 2021 #30
You're way off base here. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #31
You are cherry picking certain bits. TigressDem Sep 2021 #32
Okay, I'll respond to all of it. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #39
Excellent! StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #42
. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #47
Let me make it "less meta". Defeating racism by using racism causes unnecessary conflict. TigressDem Oct 2021 #48
You really express... tonedevil Oct 2021 #60
I don't feel "burdened" TigressDem Oct 2021 #63
Your writing expresses... tonedevil Oct 2021 #68
Could be that feeling helpless is kind of the same as burdened. TigressDem Oct 2021 #81
. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #72
Wow StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #78
Don't agree with everything, but maybe you ARE helping me understand it differently. TigressDem Oct 2021 #83
. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #91
Colorblindness is vanishingly counterproductive wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #41
Whenever I hear anyone say, "I don't see race" StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #44
Self-declared "colorblind" people wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #45
YOU all are calling me "color blind" I don't think that way. TigressDem Oct 2021 #84
You said you were going to go start your own conversation about this.. StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #88
IF a person says, "I don't see color as affecting people" YES, I aggree. TigressDem Oct 2021 #49
You think we can't talk about any kind of white privilege unless we prove that StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #51
I did NOT say that. TigressDem Oct 2021 #54
That's exactly what you said. StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #56
NO. I am not looking for "PROOF". I agree things are "systemic". TigressDem Oct 2021 #58
... StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #59
Very exhausting wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #62
Mentioning race isn't an issue. NEVER going BEYOND that and making it ALL about race is still racism TigressDem Oct 2021 #65
Give me clarity about how you got raped wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #67
My rapes taught me that any color of human can be cruel. TigressDem Oct 2021 #73
It is, indeed StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #69
Isn't it funny how sometimes people can actually agree on core issues, but argue a lot? TigressDem Oct 2021 #74
It's interesting how you keep trying to make this thread all about you StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #76
But aren't I the actual "target audience" of the article in the OP? TigressDem Oct 2021 #86
You are the target audience of the piece StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #87
IF I were giving orders on how it should happen before..... we wouldn't be talking. TigressDem Oct 2021 #64
It's not up to you to "take the conversation FARTHER" by telling everyone what you think StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #70
Biggest giveaway that this was a waste of time wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #71
WOW. TigressDem Oct 2021 #79
OK. TigressDem Oct 2021 #75
Yes, it's probably better for you to try to start a conversation on race that's more to your liking StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #77
Are you this dismissive with everyone you meet? TigressDem Oct 2021 #80
Not dismissive. Just honest StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #82
I didn't ask anyone to "build a bridge TO me" but traditionally people working together ... TigressDem Oct 2021 #85
This message was self-deleted by its author StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #50
Where I was growing up, there was similar sentiment, but against Blacks. Decoy of Fenris Sep 2021 #15
You're equating Black people being called "nigger" with white people being called "white people"? StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #20
No ma'am, I'm saying that the sentiment and end result are the same. Decoy of Fenris Sep 2021 #22
You think black people being called nigger and white people being called white people has the same r StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #23
I'd agree that the words/phrases don't carry the same weight, to be sure. Decoy of Fenris Sep 2021 #24
They not only don't carry the same weight, they should never be equated in a discussion like this StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #26
"It uses 'White people' as a slur" wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #33
Bingo StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #34
Thank you. That's the w**** state of mind Tim Wise was talking about wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #37
It is more like being called "boy" or saying "black people" do X because they are black. TigressDem Oct 2021 #52
You keep telling us what the conversation must consist of before you'll engage in it StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #53
NO. I get it that White Privilage exists. TigressDem Oct 2021 #55
You are the one introducing blame into this discussion StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #57
White and Black thinking is inherently biased and oppositional. TigressDem Oct 2021 #61
K&R. Posting this article really illustrates the need for an article like this. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #18
Ain't it true? StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #21
MA'AM. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #28
LOL StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #29
I see this so often on social media mcar Sep 2021 #25
It's only a problem when referring to "white people." StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #27
Yup, I'm white and have benefitted from Whiteness, Inc haele Sep 2021 #35
Benefiting from white supremacist system does not make one racist StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #36
Black Jeopardy on SNL always has a "White People" category gulliver Oct 2021 #66
Tim Wise is correct that white people need to learn to talk about race and talk about it better. SYFROYH Oct 2021 #89
I see your point StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #90
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