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ronnie624

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73. The Wikipedia entry doesn't address the claim made in your title line.

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 12:12 PM

Oct 2012

And just calling someone a pessimist isn't a very effective argument in a discussion of complex human interest topics concerning society and politics. It seems like an attempt to avoid coming to grips with the fact that our government's policy establishment and the legislative process are dominated by corporate interests, and that the situation is getting worse. These are things that need to be addressed in a serious manner. They cannot be so easily dismissed. It's only a matter of time before they bite us all in the ass.

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This country is so majorly fucked up [View all] cali Oct 2012 OP

Excellent post Cali... Cooley Hurd Oct 2012 #1

Your right. As soon as this country comes to grip with the facts we are not an "exceptional" southernyankeebelle Oct 2012 #63

Yep. Excellent post. mmonk Oct 2012 #2

I feel exactly the same way CanonRay Oct 2012 #3

Well, we have trained about half the nation to be politically ignorant rock Oct 2012 #4

Half? You jest. Surely it must be something more like 97% (nt) harmonicon Oct 2012 #19

Well, of course you could be right rock Oct 2012 #50

Half the nation, according to Carlin alterfurz Oct 2012 #61

No No No bob4460 Oct 2012 #84

That's not how it works. harmonicon Oct 2012 #87

Militarism; Unregulated capitalism; A nest of ultra-wealthy refusing to contribute to the common byeya Oct 2012 #5

It's so true. The gap between rich and poor keeps getting wider and mnhtnbb Oct 2012 #6

I'm the same age as your oldest. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #48

I'm sorry you are having such a difficult time. My oldest didn't go to college--computer geek-- mnhtnbb Oct 2012 #72

You echo my thoughts on this matter. I have asjr Oct 2012 #7

Pessimists have always said the same thing you are saying. MineralMan Oct 2012 #8

Wow, that was lame. Even more than usual. nt Bonobo Oct 2012 #10

Thanks for your reply. MineralMan Oct 2012 #23

You're on a roll, man! nt Bonobo Oct 2012 #49

USA! USA! USA! Le Taz Hot Oct 2012 #12

America! Fuck yeah! Cooley Hurd Oct 2012 #14

I didn't say anything of the sort. MineralMan Oct 2012 #20

Yeah, I'm sure we can just will our way to prosperity and equality. Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #16

Who suggested that? Will won't do it. MineralMan Oct 2012 #22

You clearly intended to use the word as a slur. Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #24

No, I did not. MineralMan Oct 2012 #27

I'm an optimist, but that doesn't mean I have to be delusional. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #55

Yes. I'm the same kind of optimist. MineralMan Oct 2012 #71

The Wikipedia entry doesn't address the claim made in your title line. ronnie624 Oct 2012 #73

Calling someone a pessimist isn't calling them a bad name. MineralMan Oct 2012 #74

I didn't say it was. ronnie624 Oct 2012 #76

I'm not discussing the issues. MineralMan Oct 2012 #80

No, you aren't. ronnie624 Oct 2012 #81

Thanks for your opinion. MineralMan Oct 2012 #83

The influence of corporations on our political process is a serious problem, and it's getting worse. ronnie624 Oct 2012 #86

Posting a Wikipedia article was snarky and denying it just makes you look disingenuous. Bonobo Oct 2012 #103

and much of the time, pessimists are right. cali Oct 2012 #90

Real optimism is good... frostfern Oct 2012 #100

and...? LiberalElite Oct 2012 #101

This country is still prosperous and resilient, although the quality of life is not... JackN415 Oct 2012 #9

Lest we forget... Doc Holliday Oct 2012 #45

Gilded Age notundecided Oct 2012 #65

I'm just as cynical. boston bean Oct 2012 #11

I hear a lot more populist jibber jabber come election time rudycantfail Oct 2012 #46

My dear, cali. longship Oct 2012 #13

You see, faith and patience, is too late. 12AngryBorneoWildmen Oct 2012 #25

Shall we all run around with our hair on fire, then? longship Oct 2012 #69

Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #79

Have you ever been to another country? Coyotl Oct 2012 #15

I have been to several. They don't spend most of their $$ on their military, and, as a consequence, Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #104

Your father was a smart man. CrispyQ Oct 2012 #17

Our government and lots of the establisment is ...... nolabels Oct 2012 #18

Along similar lines of thought for me this last week, listening to the debates, was silence over midnight Oct 2012 #21

"I see no way out of this" - then why vote or fight? NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #26

Because an intelligent adult can recognize a situation is hopeless and still try to fix it. Poll_Blind Oct 2012 #35

"I see no way out of this". There is no "fixing" if there's no way out of it. NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #51

why not? ibegurpard Oct 2012 #42

I don't know. I'd like to know from the OP. Because I think we've been through even worse NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #56

At the risk of sounding trite... Stonepounder Oct 2012 #28

Some people are like human tuinals taterguy Oct 2012 #29

I think that's "Tuinals." MineralMan Oct 2012 #41

Heartfelt and true BeyondGeography Oct 2012 #30

Great read but here's the thing underthematrix Oct 2012 #31

I whole heartedly agree and let me tell you why GitRDun Oct 2012 #32

Welcome to DU! Odin2005 Oct 2012 #57

Thx Odin! GitRDun Oct 2012 #62

You framed that very well! Bravo! Agony Oct 2012 #98

Sad state of affairs. moondust Oct 2012 #33

I know this will sound awful, but ann--- Oct 2012 #34

Sometimes angrychair Oct 2012 #36

I completely agree. NRaleighLiberal Oct 2012 #37

Excellent post. I share(d) the same optimism, but I'm definitely becoming a cultured pessimist. adirondacker Oct 2012 #38

These are the times ... salib Oct 2012 #39

It's the uninformed, un-engaged voter that is the ruin of this country Auggie Oct 2012 #40

"You can't compete with raging stupidity." etherealtruth Oct 2012 #44

+1,000,000 Auggie Oct 2012 #52

You're saying voters are responsible for this? leftstreet Oct 2012 #75

Yes. Who elects the corporate lapdog politicians? Auggie Oct 2012 #85

It's refreshing non-voters aren't being blamed leftstreet Oct 2012 #91

They're not uninformed, they're misinformed Doctor_J Oct 2012 #92

The masses have been fully propagandized and stupified with bread and circuses. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #43

So very transparent. blue neen Oct 2012 #47

We are also a very vindictive people. world wide wally Oct 2012 #53

I totally agree! It is all so depressing... cheriemedium59 Oct 2012 #54

George McGovern's innate decency vs. today's hate. Faygo Kid Oct 2012 #58

Agree. I had a boss many years ago that said... Whisp Oct 2012 #59

NYT, Sat. 10/20/12 jerseyjack Oct 2012 #60

The magician will pull the lever with his left hand while...... nolabels Oct 2012 #68

How true, and how can so many people be answering polls saying they would vote for Romney? AlinPA Oct 2012 #64

At least there's no shortage of hand-wringing angst NoPasaran Oct 2012 #66

Thank you for this post. . .one thing that continues to bother me kevinbgoode1 Oct 2012 #67

The new normal in America. 99Forever Oct 2012 #70

I know exactly why this started 40 years ago taught_me_patience Oct 2012 #77

So well said and Carolina Oct 2012 #78

It's as if we have become the future nightmare movies kimbutgar Oct 2012 #82

this might help warrprayer Oct 2012 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Oct 2012 #89

I saw it coming when Reagan became president Skittles Oct 2012 #93

We will consume ourselves Klukie Oct 2012 #94

ha no kidding. I've worked at two companies that went okieinpain Oct 2012 #95

Here's an article making the very underthematrix Oct 2012 #96

We have to change the House and Senate... kentuck Oct 2012 #97

Our neighbors in Latin America have successfully done this. bvar22 Oct 2012 #99

We know what the Republicans are doing to this country. Any real opposition party could have sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #102

Tell it to the indigenous 'americans' ... GeorgeGist Oct 2012 #105

Sidenote: A large part of our problem has been religion. Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #106

a nation of cheaters doesn't have the same ring as American Exceptionalism. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2012 #107