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Sympthsical

(11,072 posts)
49. People outside the community can disagree
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 06:59 PM
Oct 2021

And this really gets down to why I responded to you (I generally won't respond to other LGBTers on this board on most of our issues, because I typically just let people say their piece).

When you put allies in quotes, because they don't agree with your opinion on a comedian, that's an over-reaction to me. I mean, that's when they become suspect? Good on marriage, helped us during the AIDS crisis, stood up for us when we had less power. But a different opinion about a comedian makes their membership in our ally group suspect and worthy of suspect quotes?

When you are questioning allyship over a comedian, the question becomes thus - Are you looking for an ally? Or, are you looking for a subordinate? Because those are not the same things, and I have been seeing this more and more - especially on Twitter. "Agree with me always, or you are not a true member of our community and allies."

I'm never ever going to go along with that. I am too old for that game. People can disagree with me. I like when people disagree with me. It's how we grow and learn.

And I'll simply note, I have yet to see one of the outraged even address the point of Chappelle's comments, especially at the end. That when his friend stood by him, these Twitter clicktivists tormented her. Potentially to death. We'll never know. And when she took her own life, did these perpetually Twitter outraged lift a finger to help her family? After they spent all that time harassing her? No, they didn't. Dave did. Her family has spoken out about this.

The way Twitter behaves is absolutely toxic. It harms people, especially young people and the vulnerable. That's offensive to me. What he says doesn't bother me much. There are places where I think, "Ehhhh." But over all. He is what he is. What people do, does bother me. And, in the case of Daphne, I know who bothers me a fuck of a lot more.

And it isn't Dave Chappelle.

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Lazy comedy punches down. Timeless comedy attacks the power structure. LanternWaste Oct 2021 #1
George Carlin n/t hibbing Oct 2021 #5
Yeah I kind of get why people like Bill Maher are constantly railing against "woke culture". Initech Oct 2021 #11
People really look at Carlin through rose-colored nostalgia Sympthsical Oct 2021 #19
Then there's the "tropical fruit' joke. nt Carlitos Brigante Oct 2021 #28
Chapelle and Netflix should be shamed FreeState Oct 2021 #2
Honest question? Zeitghost Oct 2021 #66
I watched it last night, people need to chill. dewsgirl Oct 2021 #3
as have i catsudon Oct 2021 #4
That whole story towards the end, I almost burst dewsgirl Oct 2021 #6
thank you so much for this CatWoman Oct 2021 #8
I like Dave Chappelle. He comes from a different leftyladyfrommo Oct 2021 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author a kennedy Oct 2021 #9
I watched it last night Zeitghost Oct 2021 #10
I'll view it for myself and decide. I no longer take people's word for these things. Sympthsical Oct 2021 #12
very glad to see this comment janterry Oct 2021 #13
x1000 romana Oct 2021 #14
I'll watch it too Johnny2X2X Oct 2021 #15
I did watch it Sympthsical Oct 2021 #22
Good to hear, I'll definitely watch it this weekend Johnny2X2X Oct 2021 #24
"I don't care. Twitter's not a real place." Jedi Guy Oct 2021 #39
He recognized he said hurtful things... tonedevil Oct 2021 #34
As a lesbian (I am cis gendered), I would laugh in anyone's face who called me transphobic simply Celerity Oct 2021 #59
The term is "genital preferences" Sympthsical Oct 2021 #63
there have been workshops about overcoming the 'cotton ceiling' janterry Oct 2021 #67
I'm not getting how supporting JK Rowling and saying "I'm team TERF" is funny??? WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #16
well catsudon Oct 2021 #20
So is he saying a person had to give birth to validate their genitals? WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #23
like "impossible meat" catsudon Oct 2021 #25
But it's not for a man. It's for a woman. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #27
And "giving birth" has nothing to do with whether someone is a man or woman or what kind of genitals catsudon Oct 2021 #31
It's been a few years Zeitghost Oct 2021 #55
Trans men can give birth as well. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #60
You're correct, some can depending on the nature of their transition Zeitghost Oct 2021 #68
He was wrong at "gender is a fact". Mosby Oct 2021 #36
What's the joke when you punch down? When you say the same thing bigots say? WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #17
Punch down? Zeitghost Oct 2021 #32
It means taking shots at people with less power. jcgoldie Oct 2021 #56
Like Zeitghost Oct 2021 #57
I dont think anyone here is targeting Chappelle because of his race jcgoldie Oct 2021 #58
You missed the point entirely Zeitghost Oct 2021 #64
Yes. In another of his shows he describes being heckled by a woman who told him "women suffer." betsuni Oct 2021 #62
Precisely Zeitghost Oct 2021 #65
Glad to see so much Chappelle support here Blue_Adept Oct 2021 #18
Seriously obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #61
I like Chapelle Elessar Zappa Oct 2021 #21
how do you know catsudon Oct 2021 #26
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2021 #29
The same guy who makes AIDS jokes. What a sparkling cultural critique - genius! Duncan Grant Oct 2021 #30
Fuck chappelle... tonedevil Oct 2021 #33
Meh.. Oneironaut Oct 2021 #35
I'm old, fat, and white. When a comedian says something at the expense of the old, fat, and white... gulliver Oct 2021 #37
White women catch a lot of shit in his new special, and it's pretty funny to me, as Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #50
Gonna leave this here... Behind the Aegis Oct 2021 #38
That's a low bar of response Sympthsical Oct 2021 #40
Not really. Behind the Aegis Oct 2021 #42
People outside the community can disagree Sympthsical Oct 2021 #49
Of course, those outside the community can disagree. I never implied otherwise. Behind the Aegis Oct 2021 #53
The low bar includes: "GLADD, National Black Justice Coalition..." Duncan Grant Oct 2021 #43
They don't concern me Sympthsical Oct 2021 #51
As a trans person vercetti2021 Oct 2021 #41
... Oneironaut Oct 2021 #45
Hello! vercetti2021 Oct 2021 #46
Doing great! And you? Oneironaut Oct 2021 #47
Just fine thank you! vercetti2021 Oct 2021 #48
That's a great attitude! I totally agree! Oneironaut Oct 2021 #52
I'm not about to support any TERFs eShirl Oct 2021 #44
Just watched and really enjoyed, well-crafted show. betsuni Oct 2021 #54
I thought we didn't like people who helped... tonedevil Oct 2021 #69
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