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hlthe2b

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31. No. It is not counter at all. Even for an in-office President, EP is QUALIFIED, not ABSOLUTE
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 07:46 PM
Oct 2021

that is the very basis of the case in US v Nixon. And, the illegalities being explored "trumped" (pardon pun) the justification for any consideration under EP.

While the issue of ANY EP AFTER office has not been fully litigated, that is NOT to say there is not SCOTUS case law-- i.e., the case of Nixon v. General Services Administration, Nixon tried to sue the GSA to prevent release of records AFTER leaving office.

Here, as explained by Harvard constitutional professor and former White House Counsel, Neil Eggleston:

"Congress had passed a law to allow the GSA to seize and preserve all President Nixon’s presidential records. President Nixon sued, claiming the act was unconstitutional. The Supreme Court upheld the law and basically decided that the current president is the right person to make judgments about the assertion of executive privilege. That’s because under our system, the authority attaches to the office, not the human. President Biden has this power because he’s president, not because he’s Joe Biden. And when President Trump was in office, he had the power because he was President Trump, not because he was Donald Trump. So, I think the law is pretty well settled. But again, we have many years later a very new Supreme Court."


I never said he could not assert a case--that is the part that is not fully litigated. Asserting EP and the court upholding that assertion are two different things. But, again with the prior case law that clearly designated the OFFICE and not the individual as the holder of EP AND that EP is not ABSOLUTE in ANY CASE, Trump should lose handily (and would in a prior comprised court). Obviously, we have five ideologues who may choose to ignore precedence. So, there are no certainties on this or any other issue before SCOTUS. Still for them to ignore such prior determinations would add to the erosion of SCOTUS--something one would presume still matters for SOME of them.

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I think I heard today that it depends on what the conversation is about... secondwind Oct 2021 #1
Right, like I said, I think Trump is applying it incorrectly and he is using it Claustrum Oct 2021 #5
If the records are released what's Trump gonna do? Kingofalldems Oct 2021 #2
Oh, you know, the usual, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2021 #4
dont think so jcgoldie Oct 2021 #3
Do you have any article or the name of the constitutional laywer that said it? Claustrum Oct 2021 #7
watch the segment on executive privilege from Nicole's show today jcgoldie Oct 2021 #12
For conversations in the duty of his office, it is the office of the president that has privilege Bev54 Oct 2021 #6
It will be tied up for years, and it's unlikely there is anything in writing Hoyt Oct 2021 #8
Doesn't matter either way. They're all going to skate. That's the way "justice" rolls in the US. PSPS Oct 2021 #9
Well said. mia Oct 2021 #14
Bannon didn't skate, the ones that mueller charged didn't skate. Did some of them get wrongful PortTack Oct 2021 #19
I must have missed Bannon's stint in the joint. Please enlighten me. Otherwise, he skated. PSPS Oct 2021 #42
He was indicted for the scam wall funding. Had he not been wrongly pardoned he would have PortTack Oct 2021 #47
LOL. I left "had he not been..." off my list. He skated. PSPS Oct 2021 #55
Privileges come in different flavors Effete Snob Oct 2021 #10
The first thing to realize iss that Executive Privilege is a QUALIFIED privilege & not an ABSOLUTE hlthe2b Oct 2021 #11
That seems to run contrary to the poster below you. Claustrum Oct 2021 #23
No. It is not counter at all. Even for an in-office President, EP is QUALIFIED, not ABSOLUTE hlthe2b Oct 2021 #31
Thank you for your detailed explanation. Claustrum Oct 2021 #33
The Supreme Court has held that a former president has standing to assert EP onenote Oct 2021 #13
Thank you. Claustrum Oct 2021 #16
I'm not sure that Bannon's status would be determinative in and of itself. onenote Oct 2021 #18
You would do well to read Neil Eggleston's take on this from WAPO, which Laurence Tribe likewise hlthe2b Oct 2021 #32
And Eggleston and Tribe would do well to address this unambiguous statements of the Supreme Court onenote Oct 2021 #45
Well we all know that Karma13612 Oct 2021 #48
They DID just that! hlthe2b Oct 2021 #49
Where did they do "just that"? onenote Oct 2021 #50
Had you read the full piece & others you'd know these ACTUAL consitutional experts acknowledged that hlthe2b Oct 2021 #51
I did read the full piece and again ask you to point to where they acknowledge onenote Oct 2021 #54
And I'm Hearing That The Priviledge Is With THe Office Not The Person Me. Oct 2021 #40
Do confessions of ex-Catholics remain privileged? Effete Snob Oct 2021 #15
I made it very clear that I think Trump doesn't have the right to claim "executive privilege" here. Claustrum Oct 2021 #20
People believe whatever their mood suits them Effete Snob Oct 2021 #34
From Larry Tribe EleanorR Oct 2021 #17
The government should have the right to any and all documents and court appearances that had joetheman Oct 2021 #21
Did trump issue an EO to that effect while still in office? brush Oct 2021 #22
The EO issued was from Bush back in 2001 from the article I linked. Claustrum Oct 2021 #24
If that is allowed for a president who tried to overthrow our government, then that we are JohnSJ Oct 2021 #25
Just because an ex-president may claim executive privilege (in a general sense) doesn't make Trump's Claustrum Oct 2021 #27
We will see, because it will be the SC that will determine what is a legitimate use of EP, and what JohnSJ Oct 2021 #30
I don't think so. Ocelot II Oct 2021 #26
I guess we'll find out next Thursday, when the first batch are scheduled to appear. Nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #28
I will post the response from post 13 credited to Onenote which is contrary to what you said Claustrum Oct 2021 #29
See... PoliticAverse Oct 2021 #35
trump's claim of executive privilege is a lot like the cloud of NDAs he leaves in his wake... Wounded Bear Oct 2021 #36
What if the Exectutive Order is Outside of the Constitutionally Restricted Powers of the President? PurgedVoter Oct 2021 #37
The current president would need to sign off on that...and Biden won't. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #38
Not From What i've Read Me. Oct 2021 #39
From my understanding after a long back and forth above with a few posters with way more Claustrum Oct 2021 #41
TFG Can Claim Anything He Wants Me. Oct 2021 #43
I don't recall Richard Nixon ever claiming EP after he left office FakeNoose Oct 2021 #57
EXACTLY Me. Oct 2021 #60
Fuck that. So any lame duck president can plan a coup and then exert executive privilege if or when ecstatic Oct 2021 #44
"Not-Tested-in-Court Yet" should be Trump's presidential nickname kcr Oct 2021 #46
The system works best when we have Presidents that are honest. scarytomcat Oct 2021 #52
To paraphrase Abe Lincoln... kentuck Oct 2021 #53
A lot of peopje UnderThisLaw Oct 2021 #56
Certainly not in conduct of a crime against the current chief executive. Uncle Joe Oct 2021 #58
George Bush was likely legally advised to do it so he could cover his criminal ass. BeckyDem Oct 2021 #59
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