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In reply to the discussion: It looks like ex-president has the right to claim executive privilege for conversations they had [View all]hlthe2b
(114,416 posts)31. No. It is not counter at all. Even for an in-office President, EP is QUALIFIED, not ABSOLUTE
that is the very basis of the case in US v Nixon. And, the illegalities being explored "trumped" (pardon pun) the justification for any consideration under EP.
While the issue of ANY EP AFTER office has not been fully litigated, that is NOT to say there is not SCOTUS case law-- i.e., the case of Nixon v. General Services Administration, Nixon tried to sue the GSA to prevent release of records AFTER leaving office.
Here, as explained by Harvard constitutional professor and former White House Counsel, Neil Eggleston:
"Congress had passed a law to allow the GSA to seize and preserve all President Nixons presidential records. President Nixon sued, claiming the act was unconstitutional. The Supreme Court upheld the law and basically decided that the current president is the right person to make judgments about the assertion of executive privilege. Thats because under our system, the authority attaches to the office, not the human. President Biden has this power because hes president, not because hes Joe Biden. And when President Trump was in office, he had the power because he was President Trump, not because he was Donald Trump. So, I think the law is pretty well settled. But again, we have many years later a very new Supreme Court."
I never said he could not assert a case--that is the part that is not fully litigated. Asserting EP and the court upholding that assertion are two different things. But, again with the prior case law that clearly designated the OFFICE and not the individual as the holder of EP AND that EP is not ABSOLUTE in ANY CASE, Trump should lose handily (and would in a prior comprised court). Obviously, we have five ideologues who may choose to ignore precedence. So, there are no certainties on this or any other issue before SCOTUS. Still for them to ignore such prior determinations would add to the erosion of SCOTUS--something one would presume still matters for SOME of them.
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It looks like ex-president has the right to claim executive privilege for conversations they had [View all]
Claustrum
Oct 2021
OP
Right, like I said, I think Trump is applying it incorrectly and he is using it
Claustrum
Oct 2021
#5
Do you have any article or the name of the constitutional laywer that said it?
Claustrum
Oct 2021
#7
For conversations in the duty of his office, it is the office of the president that has privilege
Bev54
Oct 2021
#6
Doesn't matter either way. They're all going to skate. That's the way "justice" rolls in the US.
PSPS
Oct 2021
#9
Bannon didn't skate, the ones that mueller charged didn't skate. Did some of them get wrongful
PortTack
Oct 2021
#19
I must have missed Bannon's stint in the joint. Please enlighten me. Otherwise, he skated.
PSPS
Oct 2021
#42
He was indicted for the scam wall funding. Had he not been wrongly pardoned he would have
PortTack
Oct 2021
#47
The first thing to realize iss that Executive Privilege is a QUALIFIED privilege & not an ABSOLUTE
hlthe2b
Oct 2021
#11
No. It is not counter at all. Even for an in-office President, EP is QUALIFIED, not ABSOLUTE
hlthe2b
Oct 2021
#31
You would do well to read Neil Eggleston's take on this from WAPO, which Laurence Tribe likewise
hlthe2b
Oct 2021
#32
And Eggleston and Tribe would do well to address this unambiguous statements of the Supreme Court
onenote
Oct 2021
#45
Had you read the full piece & others you'd know these ACTUAL consitutional experts acknowledged that
hlthe2b
Oct 2021
#51
I made it very clear that I think Trump doesn't have the right to claim "executive privilege" here.
Claustrum
Oct 2021
#20
The government should have the right to any and all documents and court appearances that had
joetheman
Oct 2021
#21
If that is allowed for a president who tried to overthrow our government, then that we are
JohnSJ
Oct 2021
#25
Just because an ex-president may claim executive privilege (in a general sense) doesn't make Trump's
Claustrum
Oct 2021
#27
We will see, because it will be the SC that will determine what is a legitimate use of EP, and what
JohnSJ
Oct 2021
#30
I guess we'll find out next Thursday, when the first batch are scheduled to appear. Nt
Fiendish Thingy
Oct 2021
#28
I will post the response from post 13 credited to Onenote which is contrary to what you said
Claustrum
Oct 2021
#29
trump's claim of executive privilege is a lot like the cloud of NDAs he leaves in his wake...
Wounded Bear
Oct 2021
#36
What if the Exectutive Order is Outside of the Constitutionally Restricted Powers of the President?
PurgedVoter
Oct 2021
#37
From my understanding after a long back and forth above with a few posters with way more
Claustrum
Oct 2021
#41
Fuck that. So any lame duck president can plan a coup and then exert executive privilege if or when
ecstatic
Oct 2021
#44
George Bush was likely legally advised to do it so he could cover his criminal ass.
BeckyDem
Oct 2021
#59