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lumberjack_jeff

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13. I know that we democrats should do some introspection about this.

Reply to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 07:19 PM

Oct 2012

If 47% of the electorate won't vote for you, isn't it reasonable to seriously ask why not?

DU is a microcosm of democratic politics. The idea of a men's group was too controversial for many years, and today still faces challenges from people who think that the idea of a men's group and progressive politics are mutually incompatible. We gripe about Republican wedge issues, but we do it too... except we put the wedge in the wrong place.

If the scapegoating weren't self-destructive, it might be tolerable, but it is self-destructive. It may give us a feeling of smug superiority that <cussword>white men</cussword> won't vote for us, because who needs them anyway? But it's a fool's indulgence. Democrats have hold a serious edge among single women, but not married women. When women marry, they adopt the voting habits of their husbands. We alienate them at our peril.

We need to ask what is alienating white men from the party and work to rectify it.

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OK men - we need to have a heart to heart with...men! 538 blog on the Gender Gap... [View all] NRaleighLiberal Oct 2012 OP

No wonder that tea bagger woman said women shouldn't vote. LisaL Oct 2012 #1

Ann Coulter said the same thing. Motown_Johnny Oct 2012 #9

yet, didnt she vote twice? nt seabeyond Oct 2012 #17

good point Motown_Johnny Oct 2012 #28

The angry white males are erik satie Oct 2012 #2

i think they are just as afraid as the wimmins will think for themselves, be independent seabeyond Oct 2012 #18

I think this is the kind of post you would highly object to, were the genders reversed. nt Romulox Oct 2012 #44

i think you would be wrong. i think history proves out my point. centuries of it. nt seabeyond Oct 2012 #51

It's the exact kind of statement I suggest shouldnt be made in my #49 below stevenleser Oct 2012 #68

Let's echo that a thousand times. Zalatix Oct 2012 #83

Yeah it isn't the first time I'm embarressed by my gender... jimlup Oct 2012 #3

Electile Dysfunction H2O Man Oct 2012 #4

Is it erik satie Oct 2012 #5

pretty sure it is since underthematrix Oct 2012 #6

I think we're all mistaken erik satie Oct 2012 #8

This woman votes! greatauntoftriplets Oct 2012 #7

Ah, but isn't it refreshing that the DU men are smarter and open-minded? Frustratedlady Oct 2012 #10

Yes, I am proud of the Democratic men who are not swayed by...um... Quantess Oct 2012 #11

Can't understand it either. LisaL Oct 2012 #15

Someone should tell these men Politicalboi Oct 2012 #12

I know that we democrats should do some introspection about this. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #13

Answer: Fox News and Hate Radio n2doc Oct 2012 #16

Then what can we do to better counter these messages? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #22

What is alienating white men from the Dem party?...u ask marions ghost Oct 2012 #20

Exhibit #1 in the "we're too good for them" school of politics. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #21

Coal miners are lining up to see him? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #26

Bull marions ghost Oct 2012 #29

I love how you say "they" about 10 times here--without ever defining who exactly you are speaking! Romulox Oct 2012 #41

To clarify marions ghost Oct 2012 #71

Your post is a strawman assembly manual. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #72

No graph marions ghost Oct 2012 #73

White men have two choices. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #74

To be exact marions ghost Oct 2012 #78

Okay, let's accept that "misogynist" was some kind of tourettes/non sequitur outburst... lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #79

Ya fooled me...I thought for sure you were Not Sure marions ghost Oct 2012 #80

That's not much of a clarification. You revert back to "them" and "they" by your second paragraph. Romulox Oct 2012 #84

Whose side am I on? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #55

If a party 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #24

Uh oh marions ghost Oct 2012 #37

Kind of illustrates my point doesn't it? 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #39

You didn't point out bigotry against men-- marions ghost Oct 2012 #42

Sorry, I guess I thought you'd figure that out on your own 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #45

Can't buy your comparison to begin with-- marions ghost Oct 2012 #52

Well I suppose if you can't address what I say 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #53

I addressed what you said marions ghost Oct 2012 #60

I suppose then it's too much to ask 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #61

OK Trying Tolerance--now yer talkin' Librulism there... marions ghost Oct 2012 #64

Anyone who made broad-slurs against women 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author marions ghost Oct 2012 #65

+1 n/t IL Lib Oct 2012 #25

Please don't insult Neanderthals. dawg Oct 2012 #31

You must be a librul marions ghost Oct 2012 #33

All the posts about pre-rapists (ie men) 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #23

Fuck the "men's rights" misogynists. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #35

The problem is that 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #40

... and their wives too. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #56

Well said. mathematic Oct 2012 #47

I would be interested to see the breakdwn by geography, or, say, religion. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #14

As has been said around here, bayareamike Oct 2012 #19

From this I conclude: Girl Rule. Boys Drool. Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #27

White men are afraid of being in the same party as liberal women and gays. reformist2 Oct 2012 #30

Bingo marions ghost Oct 2012 #32

We need more people like Ed (Schultz) who can do outreach. reformist2 Oct 2012 #34

Ed Schultz --I think we should thank as much as K Olbermann marions ghost Oct 2012 #38

That's meeee! Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #48

Always liked your user name marions ghost Oct 2012 #54

Right. You get it. Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #70

We are? Codeine Oct 2012 #82

Women are better at empathizing than we guys are. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #36

A lot of VERY angry posts to this thread. Not sure some of them are about politics, really. nt Romulox Oct 2012 #43

Politics often gets mixed with social issues marions ghost Oct 2012 #57

There's a gender gap in pot legalization too.. Upton Oct 2012 #46

The women against pot legalization are all video game widows. porphyrian Oct 2012 #50

I find this very interesting AngryAmish Oct 2012 #77

The question is "How to further rights for women and minorities without alienating the majority." stevenleser Oct 2012 #49

+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #58

the other part - to me (as a white, straight guy).... NRaleighLiberal Oct 2012 #59

It's not really a macho thing, because most Hispanic and Black men vote Dem. reformist2 Oct 2012 #63

maybe that's it - I actually neither seek nor desire control! NRaleighLiberal Oct 2012 #67

Part of it there is a gender gap how white males perceive the world SpartanDem Oct 2012 #62

+++++ marions ghost Oct 2012 #69

Are they calling young men? Our students? Are cell phone users included in polls? SaveAmerica Oct 2012 #75

I wish! We picked our last tomatoes the first week of August. disease/weather got them! NRaleighLiberal Oct 2012 #76

And presents! If I ever move from our hateful read county to RDU SaveAmerica Oct 2012 #81