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crimycarny

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84. Of course she has a right to her opinion--who said she didn't?

Wed Oct 20, 2021, 06:17 PM

Oct 2021

Someone having their right to an opinion doesn't mean others aren't capable of disagreeing with that opinion.

I have admired a lot of what AOC does and have also been critical of certain things she has done. Just like I have with many of our Democratic representatives. I don't "jump at any opportunity to be critical of her"...but in this case I am being critical of her.

So is the malignant narcissism of a white man? Does Jay Jacobs have a history of being a misogynist? Of being a racist? If not, why use those terms which are their own type of dog whistle.

I honestly don't know jack about Jay Jacobs so I don't know if he has a history of being a racist and a misogynist. If he doesn't, then using those terms to define him is as despicable as what others are claiming he meant when making his analogy.

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Why I'm not a superfan of AOC [View all] crimycarny Oct 2021 OP

Get distinction in what he actually said, but would like to hear reason for not endorsing Walton. Hoyt Oct 2021 #1

Several Reasons Off-Hand, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2021 #19

Being a black woman has nothing to do with this issue... brooklynite Oct 2021 #45

Using a David Duke analogy has a lot to do with it AZProgressive Oct 2021 #47

I Know There Are, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2021 #51

I'm busy working to get Democrats elected and re-elected in NY on the county level this year. lapucelle Oct 2021 #97

AT the local level, maybe. Not the State Committee, which Jacobs is in charge of. brooklynite Oct 2021 #104

I know who Jay Jacobs is. I've been working out of his office for years lapucelle Oct 2021 #108

Probably the real reason: Hav Oct 2021 #22

And That Ain't Kosher, Friend The Magistrate Oct 2021 #26

I agree Dorian Gray Oct 2021 #146

Bringing up David Duke, then denying he was in any way making a comparison..... vanlassie Oct 2021 #2

Same ColinC Oct 2021 #5

+++ Thank you Same. luckone Oct 2021 #20

Again Same PurgedVoter Oct 2021 #128

So the chair of ny democrats doesn't have to endorse the democratic primary winner? questionseverything Oct 2021 #3

I've donated to Brown JustAnotherGen Oct 2021 #4

gosh H2O Man Oct 2021 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Oct 2021 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Oct 2021 #16

Kahuna754 has been a member in good standing on Democratic Underground since 2002.... George II Oct 2021 #41

I never referred to Kahuna754 as a 'he', and that tweet is gaslighting 101 Celerity Oct 2021 #43

You're right about the "he", your "he" referred to the NYS Democratic Chairman. Sorry about that... George II Oct 2021 #46

the very use of Duke in a comparative scenario is odious, despite attempts to 'qualify' it Celerity Oct 2021 #49

Does anyone here recall the comparison the person in the OP made 2 years ago? George II Oct 2021 #52

Do you have a comment on Trump's migrant camps? AZProgressive Oct 2021 #54

I'd like to challenge thinking here a bit Dorian Gray Oct 2021 #147

she never made a reference to the Nazi and Jews, that was what the Rethugs tried to gin up Celerity Oct 2021 #59

Also, if we do take the Rethug's faux-rage at face value (as AOC was ripping Trump) the exact same Celerity Oct 2021 #62

Many non-"Rethugs" were angered as well. A number of prominent Jewish Organizations and.... George II Oct 2021 #78

I disagree on both counts. People are free to be outraged or not, I come down no outrage Celerity Oct 2021 #79

Schumer referenced the tweet--not the person crimycarny Oct 2021 #101

Meaningless pettifogging, and I find nothing wrong with what AOC said, she is spot on. Celerity Oct 2021 #103

+1. and thanks. stopdiggin Oct 2021 #116

If you are going to defend that comment, seriously, vanlassie Oct 2021 #133

Thank goodness you posted the exact quote, which Nixie Oct 2021 #151

I stand by my tweet. I have been a registered Democrat for over 45 years... Kahuna Oct 2021 #63

I have been a registered Dem since I was 18. I have no idea who on Twitter is DU member or not. Celerity Oct 2021 #71

Whatever. You think too much. Give it a rest. nt Kahuna Oct 2021 #73

You are the one who keeps coming at me. I did nothing wrong, plus I took it down a common Celerity Oct 2021 #76

Don't bring my twitter over here. You could just as easily make your feelings known on twitter... Kahuna Oct 2021 #69

I did not bring it over here, the OP did, take it up with them. I had no idea that that Twitter Celerity Oct 2021 #75

... sheshe2 Oct 2021 #82

Thank you George II. NT Kahuna Oct 2021 #68

AOC compared detention centers to Nazi death camps. Mosby Oct 2021 #8

I think she said concentration camps AZProgressive Oct 2021 #33

she never said 'Nazi death camps' when talking about Trump's border detention centres Celerity Oct 2021 #56

Link, please, to AOC comparing detentions centers to Nazi death camps. nt. Mariana Oct 2021 #70

I don't know. What did happen to those people on Nazi concentration camps? Kahuna Oct 2021 #74

Concentration camps were a thing long before the Nazis. Mariana Oct 2021 #77

1+ SunImp Oct 2021 #80

The term "concentration camps" has long been associated with Mosby Oct 2021 #89

+2 Celerity Oct 2021 #107

Agree with AOC and above posters. cilla4progress Oct 2021 #9

Extremely Weak Effort, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2021 #10

It was mentioned in another thread that there isn't any Repub running Hav Oct 2021 #17

It's A Party Primary, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2021 #24

I understand that and I hated Lieberman for that when he lost his primary Hav Oct 2021 #27

Yet You Defend This Imitator, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2021 #31

Well if he wasn't "comparing her to David Duke"... jcgoldie Oct 2021 #11

We know how to read, thank you wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #12

Oh, I didn't realize you had direct insight into his meaning crimycarny Oct 2021 #38

We should believe everything we hear wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #160

Don't blame her at all. Patton French Oct 2021 #13

Yes, nuance matters Hav Oct 2021 #14

problem is that appears to be his only explanation for not backing her unblock Oct 2021 #30

Agreed, when you make a decision, have the guts to defend it Hav Oct 2021 #36

I agree with all you say crimycarny Oct 2021 #48

she implied that the statement was racist and misogynistic, not necessarily him. unblock Oct 2021 #53

when you make a comparison qazplm135 Oct 2021 #15

except when 'contrast' is the point for comparison stopdiggin Oct 2021 #109

Contrast? qazplm135 Oct 2021 #139

Um? It's an endorsement? Not a vote? stopdiggin Oct 2021 #144

Lol qazplm135 Oct 2021 #156

Yeah. Have to say I still find what you're putting out there stopdiggin Oct 2021 #159

Sure qazplm135 Oct 2021 #162

That's right 48656c6c6f20 Oct 2021 #18

That's what drives me crazy crimycarny Oct 2021 #40

The write-in candidate AZProgressive Oct 2021 #44

of all the crap AOC gets on this site, this is a terrible choice of moments to bash her. unblock Oct 2021 #21

+1 H2O Man Oct 2021 #28

Agree it was a terrible analogy crimycarny Oct 2021 #42

The only drama is that Democratic Party chair won't support the primary winner questionseverything Oct 2021 #83

So if the Dem Party chair doesn't endorse they are racist and misogynists? crimycarny Oct 2021 #94

But couldn't this be H2O Man Oct 2021 #58

it's amazing how much crap some people on this site give AOC unblock Oct 2021 #85

+1000 AZProgressive Oct 2021 #114

Oh puhleeze--how dare you. crimycarny Oct 2021 #88

It's shameful. betsuni Oct 2021 #99

It's divisive and unnecessary crimycarny Oct 2021 #117

Bingo. sheshe2 Oct 2021 #130

She had a very short association with the People's Party AZProgressive Oct 2021 #135

Me thinks you are confusing all their partys. sheshe2 Oct 2021 #141

I know the People's Party has been a toxic brand since December 2019 AZProgressive Oct 2021 #142

woah -- i suggest you take a breather and re-evaluate unblock Oct 2021 #121

Schumer calls New York State Democratic Chair's hypothetical scenario about David Duke when Celerity Oct 2021 #23

This is really a stretch in constructing a rationale for disliking her Arazi Oct 2021 #25

so basically we have to be 100% on board, we can't be more discriminate crimycarny Oct 2021 #32

She endorsed India Walton who won the Democratic Primary in this case AZProgressive Oct 2021 #35

Justified criticism is fine. Don't even need to be a "fan" let alone a "superfan" Arazi Oct 2021 #39

Manufactured rage? crimycarny Oct 2021 #50

has a tendency to bash other Democrats with a pinch of unnecessary hyperbole. SunImp Oct 2021 #55

Her strength is what can be polarizing crimycarny Oct 2021 #105

The David Duke comparison also drew a rebuke from Schumer AZProgressive Oct 2021 #29

But what was his intent? crimycarny Oct 2021 #34

His intent is he doesn't want to endorse the winner of the Democratic Primary AZProgressive Oct 2021 #37

So he's a racist and msyognist? crimycarny Oct 2021 #61

She is in the state of New York AZProgressive Oct 2021 #67

Of course she has a right to her opinion--who said she didn't? crimycarny Oct 2021 #84

These are New York Democrats pushing back AZProgressive Oct 2021 #112

I would call it selective outrage and also selective usage of the term 'divisive'. Celerity Oct 2021 #115

Seems Schumer hasn't either. sheshe2 Oct 2021 #143

If people had one standard for everyone, forcing honesty on themselves, Hortensis Oct 2021 #57

I like AOC quite a bit, still do, but I'm not with her on this. femmedem Oct 2021 #60

precisely stopdiggin Oct 2021 #122

she needs to learn to pick her battles Skittles Oct 2021 #64

Dude could have picked ANY comparison, but he chooses the Grand Wizard? aocommunalpunch Oct 2021 #65

But he wasn't comparing her to David Duke, oh no! Mariana Oct 2021 #72

I just hate when I am struggling for an apt analogy and David Duke just springs from my lips. Celerity Oct 2021 #86

Jacobs intentionally used a klansman in his analogy about why he didn't Politicub Oct 2021 #66

I'm not a fan of AOC, personally, for a number of reasons. Jedi Guy Oct 2021 #81

Wonder where all the outrage was... sheshe2 Oct 2021 #87

At least you are honest that this is about Nina Turner being hated questionseverything Oct 2021 #92

What? sheshe2 Oct 2021 #95

Jay Jacobs apologized, and India Walton accepted the apology. lapucelle Oct 2021 #90

Thank you crimycarny Oct 2021 #91

+1 betsuni Oct 2021 #93

thank you 111 sheshe2 Oct 2021 #110

But, I'm guessing he's the only one who suggested she is Bettie Oct 2021 #123

Actually, no one suggested that. N/T lapucelle Oct 2021 #125

His comment put her and David Duke in the same Bettie Oct 2021 #126

No it didn't. As a matter of fact, Jacobs explicitly said that she is not in the same catagory. lapucelle Oct 2021 #129

After he got called on it Bettie Oct 2021 #140

Jacobs didn't say Walton is not in same category "after he was called on it". lapucelle Oct 2021 #148

When talking about a black candidate, using Duke as an analogy wasn't the wisest move. Kaleva Oct 2021 #96

Agree crimycarny Oct 2021 #98

And I agree with you. Kaleva Oct 2021 #100

He shouldn't have and yes she did. sheshe2 Oct 2021 #113

The tweet by 1010 Wins contains a "false body language" statement, imo. gulliver Oct 2021 #102

there was no splicing Celerity Oct 2021 #106

True, I probably should have used the term juxtaposed. gulliver Oct 2021 #118

fair enough, and I see your point about the body language Celerity Oct 2021 #119

cool gulliver Oct 2021 #120

The pictures are probably their standard Bettie Oct 2021 #124

Facinating. Behind the Aegis Oct 2021 #111

Fuck this shit. Scruffy1 Oct 2021 #127

+1 Celerity Oct 2021 #131

Have you looked up his bio crimycarny Oct 2021 #137

Jacobs was inappropriate. ecstatic Oct 2021 #132

I looked up his Bio crimycarny Oct 2021 #134

Thank you for providing more info on Jacobs ecstatic Oct 2021 #136

Agree but do we really want to ask a guy like this to resign? crimycarny Oct 2021 #138

Fair enough. nt ecstatic Oct 2021 #145

I volunteer out of the Nassau county DNC office and have worked under Jacobs' leadership lapucelle Oct 2021 #149

Thank you for that insight crimycarny Oct 2021 #158

You explained yourself very well here, and I agree Nixie Oct 2021 #150

Seems to me that this is a case of a RW Democrat attacking a progressive Democrat by Roisin Ni Fiachra Oct 2021 #152

Who are the "many elected officials" calling on Jacobs to resign? lapucelle Oct 2021 #153

AOC, Rep. Mondaire Jones, Rep. Jamaal Bowman, and Roisin Ni Fiachra Oct 2021 #154

Four out of all the elected Democratic officials in NY is barely a handful. lapucelle Oct 2021 #155

AOC is correct on this. roody Oct 2021 #157

Personally I think anamnua Oct 2021 #161