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crimycarny

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105. Her strength is what can be polarizing

Wed Oct 20, 2021, 07:30 PM

Oct 2021

I cherish watching AOC take down a GOP opponent. She is so smart, so articulate, informed, and very passionate. Definitely a bright and rising star. I truly do like AOC overall, but (IMO) this is a perfect instance of when her passion can be an overstep.

I've been reflecting on this a lot. Wondering why it got me so annoyed. Then I finally got to the root of why this bothered me so much. It wasn't AOC calling out Jay Jacobs for his tweet, which was pretty stupid and easily taken the wrong way. It was her taking it even further and calling him a racist and misogynist. That, to me, was a bridge too far. You don't throw those terms lightly unless the person you are accusing of being a racist and misogynist IS a racist and misogynist and has a long history of it.

India Walton accepted Jay Jacobs's apology with a lot of class: “I’ve not always said the right thing at the right time, so I extend a lot of grace to Mr. Jacobs.” Hopefully Jacob's apology and Walton's classy acceptance of his apology will calm the waters.

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Why I'm not a superfan of AOC [View all] crimycarny Oct 2021 OP

Get distinction in what he actually said, but would like to hear reason for not endorsing Walton. Hoyt Oct 2021 #1

Several Reasons Off-Hand, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2021 #19

Being a black woman has nothing to do with this issue... brooklynite Oct 2021 #45

Using a David Duke analogy has a lot to do with it AZProgressive Oct 2021 #47

I Know There Are, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2021 #51

I'm busy working to get Democrats elected and re-elected in NY on the county level this year. lapucelle Oct 2021 #97

AT the local level, maybe. Not the State Committee, which Jacobs is in charge of. brooklynite Oct 2021 #104

I know who Jay Jacobs is. I've been working out of his office for years lapucelle Oct 2021 #108

Probably the real reason: Hav Oct 2021 #22

And That Ain't Kosher, Friend The Magistrate Oct 2021 #26

I agree Dorian Gray Oct 2021 #146

Bringing up David Duke, then denying he was in any way making a comparison..... vanlassie Oct 2021 #2

Same ColinC Oct 2021 #5

+++ Thank you Same. luckone Oct 2021 #20

Again Same PurgedVoter Oct 2021 #128

So the chair of ny democrats doesn't have to endorse the democratic primary winner? questionseverything Oct 2021 #3

I've donated to Brown JustAnotherGen Oct 2021 #4

gosh H2O Man Oct 2021 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Oct 2021 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Oct 2021 #16

Kahuna754 has been a member in good standing on Democratic Underground since 2002.... George II Oct 2021 #41

I never referred to Kahuna754 as a 'he', and that tweet is gaslighting 101 Celerity Oct 2021 #43

You're right about the "he", your "he" referred to the NYS Democratic Chairman. Sorry about that... George II Oct 2021 #46

the very use of Duke in a comparative scenario is odious, despite attempts to 'qualify' it Celerity Oct 2021 #49

Does anyone here recall the comparison the person in the OP made 2 years ago? George II Oct 2021 #52

Do you have a comment on Trump's migrant camps? AZProgressive Oct 2021 #54

I'd like to challenge thinking here a bit Dorian Gray Oct 2021 #147

she never made a reference to the Nazi and Jews, that was what the Rethugs tried to gin up Celerity Oct 2021 #59

Also, if we do take the Rethug's faux-rage at face value (as AOC was ripping Trump) the exact same Celerity Oct 2021 #62

Many non-"Rethugs" were angered as well. A number of prominent Jewish Organizations and.... George II Oct 2021 #78

I disagree on both counts. People are free to be outraged or not, I come down no outrage Celerity Oct 2021 #79

Schumer referenced the tweet--not the person crimycarny Oct 2021 #101

Meaningless pettifogging, and I find nothing wrong with what AOC said, she is spot on. Celerity Oct 2021 #103

+1. and thanks. stopdiggin Oct 2021 #116

If you are going to defend that comment, seriously, vanlassie Oct 2021 #133

Thank goodness you posted the exact quote, which Nixie Oct 2021 #151

I stand by my tweet. I have been a registered Democrat for over 45 years... Kahuna Oct 2021 #63

I have been a registered Dem since I was 18. I have no idea who on Twitter is DU member or not. Celerity Oct 2021 #71

Whatever. You think too much. Give it a rest. nt Kahuna Oct 2021 #73

You are the one who keeps coming at me. I did nothing wrong, plus I took it down a common Celerity Oct 2021 #76

Don't bring my twitter over here. You could just as easily make your feelings known on twitter... Kahuna Oct 2021 #69

I did not bring it over here, the OP did, take it up with them. I had no idea that that Twitter Celerity Oct 2021 #75

... sheshe2 Oct 2021 #82

Thank you George II. NT Kahuna Oct 2021 #68

AOC compared detention centers to Nazi death camps. Mosby Oct 2021 #8

I think she said concentration camps AZProgressive Oct 2021 #33

she never said 'Nazi death camps' when talking about Trump's border detention centres Celerity Oct 2021 #56

Link, please, to AOC comparing detentions centers to Nazi death camps. nt. Mariana Oct 2021 #70

I don't know. What did happen to those people on Nazi concentration camps? Kahuna Oct 2021 #74

Concentration camps were a thing long before the Nazis. Mariana Oct 2021 #77

1+ SunImp Oct 2021 #80

The term "concentration camps" has long been associated with Mosby Oct 2021 #89

+2 Celerity Oct 2021 #107

Agree with AOC and above posters. cilla4progress Oct 2021 #9

Extremely Weak Effort, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2021 #10

It was mentioned in another thread that there isn't any Repub running Hav Oct 2021 #17

It's A Party Primary, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2021 #24

I understand that and I hated Lieberman for that when he lost his primary Hav Oct 2021 #27

Yet You Defend This Imitator, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2021 #31

Well if he wasn't "comparing her to David Duke"... jcgoldie Oct 2021 #11

We know how to read, thank you wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #12

Oh, I didn't realize you had direct insight into his meaning crimycarny Oct 2021 #38

We should believe everything we hear wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #160

Don't blame her at all. Patton French Oct 2021 #13

Yes, nuance matters Hav Oct 2021 #14

problem is that appears to be his only explanation for not backing her unblock Oct 2021 #30

Agreed, when you make a decision, have the guts to defend it Hav Oct 2021 #36

I agree with all you say crimycarny Oct 2021 #48

she implied that the statement was racist and misogynistic, not necessarily him. unblock Oct 2021 #53

when you make a comparison qazplm135 Oct 2021 #15

except when 'contrast' is the point for comparison stopdiggin Oct 2021 #109

Contrast? qazplm135 Oct 2021 #139

Um? It's an endorsement? Not a vote? stopdiggin Oct 2021 #144

Lol qazplm135 Oct 2021 #156

Yeah. Have to say I still find what you're putting out there stopdiggin Oct 2021 #159

Sure qazplm135 Oct 2021 #162

That's right 48656c6c6f20 Oct 2021 #18

That's what drives me crazy crimycarny Oct 2021 #40

The write-in candidate AZProgressive Oct 2021 #44

of all the crap AOC gets on this site, this is a terrible choice of moments to bash her. unblock Oct 2021 #21

+1 H2O Man Oct 2021 #28

Agree it was a terrible analogy crimycarny Oct 2021 #42

The only drama is that Democratic Party chair won't support the primary winner questionseverything Oct 2021 #83

So if the Dem Party chair doesn't endorse they are racist and misogynists? crimycarny Oct 2021 #94

But couldn't this be H2O Man Oct 2021 #58

it's amazing how much crap some people on this site give AOC unblock Oct 2021 #85

+1000 AZProgressive Oct 2021 #114

Oh puhleeze--how dare you. crimycarny Oct 2021 #88

It's shameful. betsuni Oct 2021 #99

It's divisive and unnecessary crimycarny Oct 2021 #117

Bingo. sheshe2 Oct 2021 #130

She had a very short association with the People's Party AZProgressive Oct 2021 #135

Me thinks you are confusing all their partys. sheshe2 Oct 2021 #141

I know the People's Party has been a toxic brand since December 2019 AZProgressive Oct 2021 #142

woah -- i suggest you take a breather and re-evaluate unblock Oct 2021 #121

Schumer calls New York State Democratic Chair's hypothetical scenario about David Duke when Celerity Oct 2021 #23

This is really a stretch in constructing a rationale for disliking her Arazi Oct 2021 #25

so basically we have to be 100% on board, we can't be more discriminate crimycarny Oct 2021 #32

She endorsed India Walton who won the Democratic Primary in this case AZProgressive Oct 2021 #35

Justified criticism is fine. Don't even need to be a "fan" let alone a "superfan" Arazi Oct 2021 #39

Manufactured rage? crimycarny Oct 2021 #50

has a tendency to bash other Democrats with a pinch of unnecessary hyperbole. SunImp Oct 2021 #55

Her strength is what can be polarizing crimycarny Oct 2021 #105

The David Duke comparison also drew a rebuke from Schumer AZProgressive Oct 2021 #29

But what was his intent? crimycarny Oct 2021 #34

His intent is he doesn't want to endorse the winner of the Democratic Primary AZProgressive Oct 2021 #37

So he's a racist and msyognist? crimycarny Oct 2021 #61

She is in the state of New York AZProgressive Oct 2021 #67

Of course she has a right to her opinion--who said she didn't? crimycarny Oct 2021 #84

These are New York Democrats pushing back AZProgressive Oct 2021 #112

I would call it selective outrage and also selective usage of the term 'divisive'. Celerity Oct 2021 #115

Seems Schumer hasn't either. sheshe2 Oct 2021 #143

If people had one standard for everyone, forcing honesty on themselves, Hortensis Oct 2021 #57

I like AOC quite a bit, still do, but I'm not with her on this. femmedem Oct 2021 #60

precisely stopdiggin Oct 2021 #122

she needs to learn to pick her battles Skittles Oct 2021 #64

Dude could have picked ANY comparison, but he chooses the Grand Wizard? aocommunalpunch Oct 2021 #65

But he wasn't comparing her to David Duke, oh no! Mariana Oct 2021 #72

I just hate when I am struggling for an apt analogy and David Duke just springs from my lips. Celerity Oct 2021 #86

Jacobs intentionally used a klansman in his analogy about why he didn't Politicub Oct 2021 #66

I'm not a fan of AOC, personally, for a number of reasons. Jedi Guy Oct 2021 #81

Wonder where all the outrage was... sheshe2 Oct 2021 #87

At least you are honest that this is about Nina Turner being hated questionseverything Oct 2021 #92

What? sheshe2 Oct 2021 #95

Jay Jacobs apologized, and India Walton accepted the apology. lapucelle Oct 2021 #90

Thank you crimycarny Oct 2021 #91

+1 betsuni Oct 2021 #93

thank you 111 sheshe2 Oct 2021 #110

But, I'm guessing he's the only one who suggested she is Bettie Oct 2021 #123

Actually, no one suggested that. N/T lapucelle Oct 2021 #125

His comment put her and David Duke in the same Bettie Oct 2021 #126

No it didn't. As a matter of fact, Jacobs explicitly said that she is not in the same catagory. lapucelle Oct 2021 #129

After he got called on it Bettie Oct 2021 #140

Jacobs didn't say Walton is not in same category "after he was called on it". lapucelle Oct 2021 #148

When talking about a black candidate, using Duke as an analogy wasn't the wisest move. Kaleva Oct 2021 #96

Agree crimycarny Oct 2021 #98

And I agree with you. Kaleva Oct 2021 #100

He shouldn't have and yes she did. sheshe2 Oct 2021 #113

The tweet by 1010 Wins contains a "false body language" statement, imo. gulliver Oct 2021 #102

there was no splicing Celerity Oct 2021 #106

True, I probably should have used the term juxtaposed. gulliver Oct 2021 #118

fair enough, and I see your point about the body language Celerity Oct 2021 #119

cool gulliver Oct 2021 #120

The pictures are probably their standard Bettie Oct 2021 #124

Facinating. Behind the Aegis Oct 2021 #111

Fuck this shit. Scruffy1 Oct 2021 #127

+1 Celerity Oct 2021 #131

Have you looked up his bio crimycarny Oct 2021 #137

Jacobs was inappropriate. ecstatic Oct 2021 #132

I looked up his Bio crimycarny Oct 2021 #134

Thank you for providing more info on Jacobs ecstatic Oct 2021 #136

Agree but do we really want to ask a guy like this to resign? crimycarny Oct 2021 #138

Fair enough. nt ecstatic Oct 2021 #145

I volunteer out of the Nassau county DNC office and have worked under Jacobs' leadership lapucelle Oct 2021 #149

Thank you for that insight crimycarny Oct 2021 #158

You explained yourself very well here, and I agree Nixie Oct 2021 #150

Seems to me that this is a case of a RW Democrat attacking a progressive Democrat by Roisin Ni Fiachra Oct 2021 #152

Who are the "many elected officials" calling on Jacobs to resign? lapucelle Oct 2021 #153

AOC, Rep. Mondaire Jones, Rep. Jamaal Bowman, and Roisin Ni Fiachra Oct 2021 #154

Four out of all the elected Democratic officials in NY is barely a handful. lapucelle Oct 2021 #155

AOC is correct on this. roody Oct 2021 #157

Personally I think anamnua Oct 2021 #161