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defacto7

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44. Well, there you have it folks!

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 11:06 PM

Oct 2012

I came to DU originally to express my personal "concern" if you will, about the Mormon connection to American politics and Mitt Romney. I wrote about it probably in excess but it seems there was plenty of information that was getting around. Here is a great example and a reminder of how crazy it is. With Romney and the Mormons, you have connections between church and state that are not only utterly bizarre but pose a danger to the constitution and our freedoms.

I got quite a lot of support here on the subject but also a lot of disbelief, and I don't blame those who thought my message was too weird to be true. But true it is.

Thanks Hitman for backing up the facts about that zany and madcap world of Mormonism.

Who would want that for president?

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Video of Mormon temple using a hidden camera going viral [View all] The Hitman Oct 2012 OP

In my opinion any religion that has secret rituals is a cult Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #1

The more organized the religion, the more I despise it... nt Comrade_McKenzie Oct 2012 #2

Seriously! With that many strict rules this is easily classified as a cult. JaneyVee Oct 2012 #79

My God it's the Wizard of Oz! Eddie Haskell Oct 2012 #218

You pay to be a Mormon Aerows Oct 2012 #273

Right -- you HAVE to show your W-2 and other financials obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #276

Yeah, I was correlating the similarities between the cult of Scientology & the cult of Mormonism. JaneyVee Oct 2012 #355

It is amazing to me that any evangelical or fundamentalist Christian could vote for Romney. kelliekat44 Oct 2012 #392

Has anyone refuted this video yet? kelliekat44 Oct 2012 #421

Nope. At least a couple of former LDSers have verified the video as showing a true ceremony. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #423

We were talking about that at dinner last night. Whisp Oct 2012 #213

"If it's organized, involves a lot of money and people, it's probably whacked out stupid." eggplant Oct 2012 #390

How is something in the Library of Congress secret ? N/t FreeState Oct 2012 #3

Have no idea what you are asking Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #4

You called it secret - how so? It's in the Library of Congress FreeState Oct 2012 #5

This exact video is in the Library of Congress? Do you have a link? nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #13

The cerimony is, not this exact video FreeState Oct 2012 #17

Link, please. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #27

Here you go FreeState Oct 2012 #51

Hmm. Not a video. Noted. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #57

This links to the catalogue only littlemissmartypants Oct 2012 #59

I'm looking for it FreeState Oct 2012 #69

http://www.lds-mormon.com/buerger.shtml littlemissmartypants Oct 2012 #70

No video here, either, but there is a quote which tends to support Mormon secrecy... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #87

skeptics annotated Book of Mormon NoMoreWarNow Oct 2012 #286

The BoM is an historian's and archeologist's nightmare obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #302

yep! NoMoreWarNow Oct 2012 #389

An Entertaining Link, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2012 #424

. littlemissmartypants Oct 2012 #72

Am I allowed to witness all rituals of the LDS?? Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #14

You can read them FreeState Oct 2012 #20

Riiiiggghttt! You can't attend but the rituals aren't secret.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #35

Just because you are not invited doesn't make it secret n/t FreeState Oct 2012 #43

Come on. The very fact that you're not invited makes them secret by definition... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #66

most weddings are not open to the public FreeState Oct 2012 #74

I would think most weddings are open just not the receptions Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #84

Based on my VERY limited knowledge... Rainngirl Oct 2012 #381

I was not talking about Mormon weddings Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #385

Here's a concept for you: the more you dig, the deeper you get. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #88

With the LDS, you have to join or hear from those who aren't permitted to speak to learn the secrets CreekDog Oct 2012 #116

It may have been lifted, but it's still practiced. Eddie Haskell Oct 2012 #221

It is definitely still believed by many regular LDS obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #229

If a wedding is in a church, it's generally open obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #126

Wow, how far are you going to stretch this, even Mormons cannot witness a Temple marriage braddy Oct 2012 #171

When my Ex LDS was married obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #203

You must be responding to the poster to whom I'm responding...I'm on your side. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #223

(Wrong place.) WinkyDink Oct 2012 #196

In fact, ALL (non-Mormon) church weddings ARE open to the public. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #197

Sez who? PavePusher Oct 2012 #298

If it's in a church, the odds are it will be open obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #334

Ah, that may explain my disconnect: I'm not a Christian.... PavePusher Oct 2012 #342

Why is my reply not showing up in the right "outline" order? It's to #74, not #66. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #198

I've had that happen WD. Never could fix it. It's frustrating though! AllyCat Oct 2012 #242

Weddings are usually filmed, and made available. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #411

Also a good point about wedding photos and videos obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #414

The word is forbidden, not "not invited, the inner Temple is secret, even Ann's parents were not braddy Oct 2012 #170

Mormon Temple rituals are intended to be secret. Utah_liberal Oct 2012 #175

This message was self-deleted by its author Utah_liberal Oct 2012 #418

They are secret. Eddie Haskell Oct 2012 #215

And upper management where I work must then have "Secret lunches" LanternWaste Oct 2012 #195

Are you seriously that obtuse, that you are comparing religion to private enterprise? WinkyDink Oct 2012 #200

Kinda like the republican party Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #40

+++100 Sebass1271 Oct 2012 #187

you're misleading people and that is a sin CreekDog Oct 2012 #301

Im an atheist FreeState Oct 2012 #395

Except it isn't Mormons/Members Only obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #309

That is very interesting. I wonder what they will think when they see this crap. snagglepuss Oct 2012 #401

Is a party you aren't invited to a cult, too? Union Scribe Oct 2012 #61

I was using the idea that just because something is written does not make it true Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #81

The "Invite" requires interviews every 2 years, 10% of your income, and an ID card that must be braddy Oct 2012 #177

I think you have to wear the magic undies too. I know someone who recently visited a Mormon temple Erose999 Oct 2012 #312

Of course you do obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #320

Why are you trying to equate religion with anything else? WinkyDink Oct 2012 #201

Why not just watch a porn video? marshall Oct 2012 #193

Just make me one and send it to DU in care of Angry Dragon Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #199

porn is much more ubiquitous and "hohum" than secret Mormon rituals waddirum Oct 2012 #416

It depends on who you're watching marshall Oct 2012 #420

From what I understand about Mormonism LibertyLover Oct 2012 #224

FreeState is saying because it's not been kept a secret, it's not actually intended to be secret CreekDog Oct 2012 #154

Exactly -- the SCientologists do the same thing obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #205

Id gladly tell you everything FreeState Oct 2012 #306

there are many items in the library of congress that are not underthematrix Oct 2012 #12

You can request a copy from the Library of Congress n/t FreeState Oct 2012 #23

Link, please. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #37

Here's the link FreeState Oct 2012 #52

Hardback copy on Azon.com for $206.80 also... littlemissmartypants Oct 2012 #68

Read it (the ceremony) for free here FreeState Oct 2012 #71

I read it, and here are my responses.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #101

Temple Mormons are sworn to secrecy, anything that gets out wasn't supposed to. braddy Oct 2012 #169

Kind of like, "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas"? n/t LiberalElite Oct 2012 #413

I agree underthematrix Oct 2012 #8

yes, the secrecy is a bad sign, and in this case, the secrecy shrouds things that we find abhorrent CreekDog Oct 2012 #109

some screenshots pokerfan Oct 2012 #137

Is that a shower cap on the man's head? Smilo Oct 2012 #375

I'm reminded of Weird Science pokerfan Oct 2012 #380

The video might not doom Romney's chances lolly Oct 2012 #382

Some of the comments on this thread is hilarious, almost snagglepuss Oct 2012 #398

This message was self-deleted by its author Shankapotomus Oct 2012 #430

Mormons believe that Adam and Eve used to live in Spring Hill Missouri CoffeeCat Oct 2012 #363

yeah... thats fairly accurate... PatrynXX Oct 2012 #393

OMG---this scares the shit out of me. vaberella Oct 2012 #6

It's some of the most whacked out shit I've ever seen rbrnmw Oct 2012 #9

+1000000 Jamastiene Oct 2012 #308

Seriously, What. The. Fuck. hatrack Oct 2012 #19

We need to get this fucking video rbrnmw Oct 2012 #31

That it's a set-up job by those damned dirty Liberals, just out to destroy Christian America... Volaris Oct 2012 #155

Spread this far and wide on social media! CoffeeCat Oct 2012 #361

Well apart of being like most religions nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #268

You're telling me Catholics do shit like this? vaberella Oct 2012 #410

I went to one of these CountAllVotes Oct 2012 #368

Likewise. It reminds me of the secret Moonie ritual in Washington during bushco. snagglepuss Oct 2012 #399

Damn. What the hell was that? underthematrix Oct 2012 #7

I'm expecting Morons to riot and go off on a killing spree over this. L0oniX Oct 2012 #10

If they did, would this video be guilty of inciting violence? Zalatix Oct 2012 #131

You got it. L0oniX Oct 2012 #145

Holy cows Anthony McCarthy Oct 2012 #11

Fascinating - the Presence of the Lord looks like a Sheraton Suites lobby hatrack Oct 2012 #15

No, Marriott defacto7 Oct 2012 #46

But of course! hatrack Oct 2012 #67

, littlemissmartypants Oct 2012 #16

Running from a baptism? Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #409

That should be send to every tea partier. LisaL Oct 2012 #18

About 100,000 views since yesterday The Hitman Oct 2012 #30

Do they realize how far from Christianity this religion really is? LisaL Oct 2012 #65

Did you notice the stated belief in multiple gods? How could any of the Fundies go along with this? OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #103

I don't see how they could go along with it. Jamastiene Oct 2012 #310

So what? This isn't the first David Lynch movie I've seen. cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #21

his curtains are a little darker trailmonkee Oct 2012 #102

Ha!! nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #105

Lynch films make much more sense. hifiguy Oct 2012 #261

They seem to like white things Canuckistanian Oct 2012 #22

Seems so un-christian like, doesn't it? LisaL Oct 2012 #24

They seem to like white things progressoid Oct 2012 #212

makes "wonder bread look dark and mysterious" reusrename Oct 2012 #251

That's definitely disturbing, especially the part about.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #25

I don't know, and I don't want to find out. LisaL Oct 2012 #28

You Betcha' jerseyjack Oct 2012 #32

yes it appears to be exactly what they think rbrnmw Oct 2012 #42

People don't realize that Ann, Mitt, and Harry Reid, are all Temple Mormons. braddy Oct 2012 #174

Yes -- wiki White Horse Prophecy obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #64

I think I told you that yesterday. :) aletier_v Oct 2012 #76

Yes - that's what they want Berlum Oct 2012 #216

Absolutely DollarBillHines Oct 2012 #343

posting just to save to watch later quinnox Oct 2012 #26

Definitely going viral - it's risen 100+ hits in the past five minutes just here hatrack Oct 2012 #29

Is this for real? Lone_Star_Dem Oct 2012 #33

Yes, it is. cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #36

Yes it's real - I have been before and it's real n/t FreeState Oct 2012 #53

Well, you can't blame me for asking. Lone_Star_Dem Oct 2012 #55

It looks substantially similar to that scene from Big Love which caused all that controversy The Hitman Oct 2012 #41

You're right it does. Lone_Star_Dem Oct 2012 #58

yup!! defacto7 Oct 2012 #56

Yes -- an ex LDS friend had a Temple wedding obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #60

Evangelicals will not like this one bit. Kind of breaks through their deniability. Uncomfortable libdem4life Oct 2012 #34

whoa. nc4bo Oct 2012 #38

OK, that's some weird shit. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2012 #39

""Celestial Room" resembles a hotel lobby. " snagglepuss Oct 2012 #396

LDS is just steampunk Scientology waddirum Oct 2012 #417

Well, there you have it folks! defacto7 Oct 2012 #44

I seemed to have missed all that but want Cha Oct 2012 #73

What bothers me most... ReallyIAmAnOptimist Oct 2012 #45

Welcome to DU! renate Oct 2012 #94

Welcome to DU! DonRedwood Oct 2012 #400

What the hell did I just watch? Barack_America Oct 2012 #47

Scary as hell isn't it rbrnmw Oct 2012 #54

If it's on Reddit, it'll be all over the news tomorrow. Phoonzang Oct 2012 #48

Was that a real baby that got dunked over and over? libdem4life Oct 2012 #49

That was a baptism, not a confirmation. amandabeech Oct 2012 #163

I've wondered which of my co-workers are Mormon, now I know IDemo Oct 2012 #50

LOL, everyone looks freaky in cleanroom gear. nt. Mariana Oct 2012 #122

Does everyone remember that youtube cartoon explaining Mormonism? Poiuyt Oct 2012 #62

A classic jsr Oct 2012 #194

In relation to Mitt's LDS ties, there's also this: ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #63

"Mitt Romney's Mormon Secrets" littlemissmartypants Oct 2012 #75

You guys should watch the whole thing. *link* It's really weirder than that let on. LeftyMom Oct 2012 #77

substance before style, baby. just like Mitt Romney! :) aletier_v Oct 2012 #80

Wonder if Mittens has sudden Romensia over his 'secret name' Liberalynn Oct 2012 #256

Nah, he needs that to get past the velvet rope into the really good, Mormons only heaven. LeftyMom Oct 2012 #296

Queen Ann will probably get invited considering he needs her to "stabilize him". Liberalynn Oct 2012 #311

I actually think the husband gets to pick whioch one(s) obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #319

I'm a glutton for punishment, so I watched the whole thing. Gahh! The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2012 #280

Holy jumpin' possums! That's some serious scary right there. Zorra Oct 2012 #78

Wow, compared to the ritual cannibalism and vampirism of the Christian deity, this is far out, man! backscatter712 Oct 2012 #82

I don't see how Mormonism is more ridiculous than any other religion. Marr Oct 2012 #83

It's just obviously VERY removed from Christianity. Barack_America Oct 2012 #85

Which Christianity? Even the Christians can't agree on what it is. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #99

The multiple gods idea the Mormons believe is pretty different from the Christian monotheism. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #108

Except for those Catholics and their (sort of) Trinity wherein there is this son of God that is God Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #136

You woefully misunderstand Catholicism and the Trinity obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #206

Yeah I know, the Jezzies were really disappointed in me, too. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #262

That's gotta be the most hilarious way to pretend _ed_ Oct 2012 #287

No, that is the paralellism of The Gidhead obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #313

I stopped reading at "three headed dog" _ed_ Oct 2012 #356

I'm sad for you you never studied Greek Mythology obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #366

Most Christian denominations are on the same page, same religion, that is why you are only baptized braddy Oct 2012 #173

And you speak for all Christians... Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #178

Of course not, but I have looked up all the major Christian churches teachings on Mormonism, braddy Oct 2012 #179

Mormonism is to Christianity like Missouri is to the South. greyl Oct 2012 #106

When you make comments like that you piss off a lot of Dems and Progressives.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #112

I'd be happy to reply to them one at a time. :) nt greyl Oct 2012 #114

You can start with me. They're millions of us.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #120

Ok. greyl Oct 2012 #138

Whatever you say. We're done. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #234

Nice because my post didn't disparage the South in the least. greyl Oct 2012 #457

I do. At least from several. cali Oct 2012 #186

From where I'm standing, I don't see any of those differences. Marr Oct 2012 #277

Mormonism evolved in a post-enlightenment world lolly Oct 2012 #378

I am impressed with the lack of spin SmileyRose Oct 2012 #86

I grew up in the United Methodist Church, a mainline Protestant denomination. amandabeech Oct 2012 #89

If you go by what traditional Christians believe - The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2012 #98

You're right. amandabeech Oct 2012 #121

I think we need to bring back the Spanish Inquisition and apply to Romney LeftInTX Oct 2012 #153

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition! amandabeech Oct 2012 #164

Three in One, and One in Three obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #129

Worshipers of the Lords of Kolob. backscatter712 Oct 2012 #90

Glenn Larson is LDS obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #130

Do you mean Glenn Beck? He is LDS. Don't know who Glenn Larson is. n/t Fla Dem Oct 2012 #217

No, Glen Larson obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #225

BSG can definitely be described as Mormons in Space! backscatter712 Oct 2012 #293

There used to be a wiki on Mormonism in BSG obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #294

I remember an episode from the original series... backscatter712 Oct 2012 #305

Oh yeah, that episode is infamous! obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #314

Do you think Mitt Romney is a Cylon? backscatter712 Oct 2012 #318

He is a One obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #321

Cavil Romney... Yeah, I see it! backscatter712 Oct 2012 #332

rofl obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #336

I hope the MSM gets hold of this crazy shit and spreads the word RiverStone Oct 2012 #91

Why the need for secrecy? How odd is it that many Mormons TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #92

Scientology?? Barack_America Oct 2012 #118

SCientology obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #134

Reddit littlemissmartypants Oct 2012 #93

Commenting so I can watch later. HarveyDarkey Oct 2012 #95

I commented so I could show my husband later. LeftInTX Oct 2012 #156

There is a longer version linked above. Jamastiene Oct 2012 #316

White. Horse. Prophecy. AzDar Oct 2012 #96

I am pretty sure this is what billy Graham saw when he decided to declasify mormonism as a cult trailmonkee Oct 2012 #97

nope it's not christianity toby jo Oct 2012 #100

Then you need to study LDS obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #139

THeir stated mission to set up a theocracy is evil. I think you need to do some reserarch. snagglepuss Oct 2012 #448

Let's assault a religion to harm a politician. Skip Intro Oct 2012 #104

Mitt's religious beliefs would harm the electorate RiverStone Oct 2012 #113

They already have. Jamastiene Oct 2012 #325

Don't you have to qualify as a religion before you can be assaulted?.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #115

What exactly are the qualifications for a religion, then? eShirl Oct 2012 #185

Gotta disagree with you. Romney is passing his beliefs off as "basically" Christianity. Barack_America Oct 2012 #117

If you want to stay ignorant of Mormon belief, go ahead, we choose not to be ignorant of it CreekDog Oct 2012 #119

You seem ever-so-ready to compromise any loyalty Skip Intro Oct 2012 #146

Did the truth stop being an affirmative defense against slander? cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #147

i had to live with that religion for long enough to criticize it anytime i damn well please CreekDog Oct 2012 #148

Well hate away, CD. Skip Intro Oct 2012 #149

it's not hate CreekDog Oct 2012 #150

FUN FACT: Criticism =/= Hate ChaoticTrilby Oct 2012 #374

Sorry, no. What stinks is Mitt trying to pass this mess off as a Christian religion... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #165

Mormonism is a mind-controlling cult siligut Oct 2012 #304

It is not slander when it is true. Jamastiene Oct 2012 #326

When that politician has every liklihood of legislating his religion, Waiting For Everyman Oct 2012 #133

I'd have to disagree with this thread. Zalatix Oct 2012 #135

Yup. He has stated he is going to return God to American government cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #140

Which God? Jamastiene Oct 2012 #327

Fuck this attitude. Look at what they do to us. MrSlayer Oct 2012 #142

Glad you admit the goal here is to harm Romney, by any means necessary. Skip Intro Oct 2012 #157

So, you actually believe Mormonism is a religion? Seriously??.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #168

Yes, it is a religion...all religions are goofy... snooper2 Oct 2012 #211

Religion? No. It's no wonder I'm "less familiar" with Mormonism because... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #230

A book telling you to smite your neighbors for working on a Sunday snooper2 Oct 2012 #233

Hmmmm. Are you talking about the passage in the Old Testament, Exodus 35:2?.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #239

Well we can go into history and crusades and shit, but I guess you want to stick to modern day snooper2 Oct 2012 #249

Sorry to disappoint you, but none of what you've mentioned is "modern day"... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #328

are we really arguing over the internet with mythology is more ridiculous.. snooper2 Oct 2012 #344

thank you for your concern for Romney CreekDog Oct 2012 #172

I'm sorry to disappoint. MrSlayer Oct 2012 #182

I'm intolerant to all religions equally, so you can't single us all out for banging on poor Mormons snooper2 Oct 2012 #210

I watched that last night too Liberalynn Oct 2012 #260

Were you paying attention to what the RNC did to Obama in 2008? AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #412

This so called "church" Tsiyu Oct 2012 #444

I understand and agree with both your point and SkipIntro's point Blue_Tires Oct 2012 #291

Two words for this: Proposition 8 cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #144

Beat me to it. Starry Messenger Oct 2012 #209

It isn't "assaulting a religion" to want to know what their beliefs are. highplainsdem Oct 2012 #248

How is this "assaulting a religion"? Marr Oct 2012 #282

Oh, those poor powerless Mormons... Jamastiene Oct 2012 #322

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Oct 2012 #346

Polygamy continues in the Mormon church, spiritually, if not physically CreekDog Oct 2012 #107

That veil claptrap reminded me of the Wizard of Oz, only the dull and yet creepy version. Waiting For Everyman Oct 2012 #110

Did you notice the oxen with the golden horns at the edge of their baptismal pool? amandabeech Oct 2012 #125

Yup, sure did. I bet some Jews would be weirded out by that too. Waiting For Everyman Oct 2012 #141

The whole thing is just weird, weird, weird. amandabeech Oct 2012 #161

It reminded me of the veil in Harry Potter that the dead floated through. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #152

That is effin' WACK. hifiguy Oct 2012 #111

K & R. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #123

IMO, the "establishment of Zion" part is damning to Romney. tarheelsunc Oct 2012 #124

Wow. redqueen Oct 2012 #127

I wonder how many Protestant churches have poured money into Mitt's campaign... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #166

How can they do this with a straight face? Hamlette Oct 2012 #128

you're adrift if you're not in the "insiders binder" in this group Sunlei Oct 2012 #132

Absolutely. I grew up among the Mormons. Frank Cannon Oct 2012 #202

Mormon ayatollahs want to turn the nation into a Mormon state... amborin Oct 2012 #143

Did I just see longhorns in their place of worship? Creepy. Catherine Vincent Oct 2012 #151

the media are cowards CitizenPatriot Oct 2012 #158

I'm not judging it's rightness, but just saying it's a polytheistic religion CreekDog Oct 2012 #159

Is this the October surprise? LeftInTX Oct 2012 #160

Showed my wife the video tonight and she was VERY shocked...that doesn't happen very often. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #162

kick to come back to grantcart Oct 2012 #167

I'll second that. Tinksrival Oct 2012 #176

Wow, that was enlightening. Blue_In_AK Oct 2012 #180

The MSM tried to act as though Rev. Wright was the second coming of mfcorey1 Oct 2012 #181

What the? Is this for real? Glimmer of Hope Oct 2012 #183

PBS ran a special about the open practices Ilsa Oct 2012 #184

The documentary about their involvement in Prop 8 justiceischeap Oct 2012 #189

Yay atheism! Fearless Oct 2012 #188

exactly! I think the internet will eventually spell doom for all the old religions NoMoreWarNow Oct 2012 #190

I think a lot of it has to do with... Fearless Oct 2012 #191

Yes...I am PROUD to be an Athiest! txdemsftw Oct 2012 #228

It definitely showcases the psychological aspect of religion Fearless Oct 2012 #383

Yep. Reason works, and every time. hifiguy Oct 2012 #266

Here, here! ChaoticTrilby Oct 2012 #377

Freaks. nt TBF Oct 2012 #192

A secretive, exclusionary RELIGION is NOT the same as a work-place; WinkyDink Oct 2012 #204

Marking to view later. tanyev Oct 2012 #207

Secret handshakes, passwords, Freemasonry? superpatriotman Oct 2012 #208

If Mormonism had been invented 100 years later, Smith would've just sold it for a film script... Barack_America Oct 2012 #231

Or he would have gotten together with L. Ron Hubbard. GoneOffShore Oct 2012 #246

This message was self-deleted by its author Eddie Haskell Oct 2012 #214

What a lot of people don't get is that this stuff is ANATHEMA to evangelicals. Chiyo-chichi Oct 2012 #219

They should all see it. Every one of them. LisaL Oct 2012 #226

I can't argue with that. Chiyo-chichi Oct 2012 #250

Agree 100%. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #240

You do know there are Mormon DU members right? Puzzledtraveller Oct 2012 #220

I think the point of the video is that mormon religion is so different from christianity. LisaL Oct 2012 #227

What comments are disgusting? obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #232

There are Mormons everywhere. What's your point?.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #243

I totally agree It scared the shit out of me rbrnmw Oct 2012 #252

Physically baptising kids over and over in the name of dead people is bizarre. Brickbat Oct 2012 #222

That was beyond strange to me too. Until I heard the part about taking over AllyCat Oct 2012 #244

I first encountered that practice while doing my family's genealogy.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #254

I knew about bapitizing the dead -- I didn't know they made kids stand in for the dead people. Brickbat Oct 2012 #335

I totaly agree It is very sick rbrnmw Oct 2012 #345

Spying on people and posting videos of them on the Web isn't kosher slackmaster Oct 2012 #235

I guess Romney's 47% video isn't kosher too? LisaL Oct 2012 #236

No, it's not slackmaster Oct 2012 #237

Well, at least you're consistent. But when you're at war, and believe me, we're at war.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #247

+1 Liberalynn Oct 2012 #257

Rationalizations like that work well until someone publishes an unauthorized video of YOU slackmaster Oct 2012 #259

Ooopsie daisy. Call Me Wesley Oct 2012 #347

! Vanje Oct 2012 #373

Nice To See You Defending The Republican Nominee For President, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2012 #253

That's a mis-representation of my position, The Magistrate slackmaster Oct 2012 #258

No, Sir, It Is Not a Mis-Representation, It Is Accurate Description Of What You Are Doing The Magistrate Oct 2012 #264

How do you feel about the people who made embarassing videos of ACORN and Planned Parenthood? slackmaster Oct 2012 #265

Apples And Oranges, Sir, Though it Does Not Surprise Me To See You Standing Up For O'Keefe Also The Magistrate Oct 2012 #269

That's a steaming pantload. slackmaster Oct 2012 #278

You Did Indeed Defend Calling For a Republican Congress, Sir, And For the Reason Stated The Magistrate Oct 2012 #288

That's just nonsense. Your attempts to twist what I wrote into something else say something... slackmaster Oct 2012 #428

My Pointing Out, Sir, the Plain Meaning Of your Comments In English, Is What You Complain Of The Magistrate Oct 2012 #436

Repeating bullshit doesn't make it true slackmaster Oct 2012 #437

Repeating Facts Drives Them Home, Sir, Hence My Habit of Repeatedly Stating Facts The Magistrate Oct 2012 #440

wow you compared the 47% video to ACORN? CreekDog Oct 2012 #303

+1 Well said. Thank you. Zorra Oct 2012 #324

except when did you ever post here a complaint about the ACORN video? CreekDog Oct 2012 #331

And as always, to the point, Sir. Call Me Wesley Oct 2012 #351

A Pleasure To see You, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2012 #379

Fuck 'em - we're at war, and don't think for a second they don't do it to us. backscatter712 Oct 2012 #330

Neither is pretending Mormonism is a Christian religion, all for the sake of.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #245

How do you feel about the people who made embarassing videos of ACORN and Planned Parenthood? slackmaster Oct 2012 #263

Those videos were setups and selectively edited to make the truth a lie obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #270

My position is that it is morally wrong to take videos of people without their permission slackmaster Oct 2012 #279

it's morally wrong that children live in poverty CreekDog Oct 2012 #299

Red Herring slackmaster Oct 2012 #426

you just got schooled by Magistrate and that's the best you can do? CreekDog Oct 2012 #429

I've been brow-beaten by The Magistrate, and all I learned was that The Magistrate behaves badly slackmaster Oct 2012 #431

No,you never defended ACORN on that video but made it sound like you did to criticize this LDS video CreekDog Oct 2012 #438

Nonsense. I denounced the behavior of the people who perpetrated the ACORN sting. slackmaster Oct 2012 #439

no you didn't defend ACORN the way you're defending the LDS now CreekDog Oct 2012 #441

Sorry, but it's morally wrong to try to impose the beliefs of your cult on everyone else.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #422

That's another Red Herring slackmaster Oct 2012 #427

If their stated belief is to overthrow the US Government then that would qualify... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #453

This. Starry Messenger Oct 2012 #354

But funding Prop 8 is. Marr Oct 2012 #284

I didn't see anyone in that video funding Prop. 8 or engaging in any kind of political activity slackmaster Oct 2012 #435

You can't see staphlyococcus either Tsiyu Oct 2012 #446

EDIT: Wrong comparison Blue_Tires Oct 2012 #290

Sorry. When you sponsor legislation that takes rights away from innocent folks, Zorra Oct 2012 #317

The video doesn't depict people engaging in any kind of political activities slackmaster Oct 2012 #434

The inference should be obvious even if you don't see anyone physically donating money Zorra Oct 2012 #464

Don't you think we have a right to know more about the GOP Politicub Oct 2012 #394

I didn't see the GOP candidate in that video slackmaster Oct 2012 #433

I felt like I learned something about mormonism in general. I believe Romney is a Mormon, is he not? Politicub Oct 2012 #455

Was I the ONLY one who heard "erotic priesthood" instead of whatever else they were saying? riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #238

It's "Aaronic priesthood" - but I also heard it wrong first, and would have been confused if I highplainsdem Oct 2012 #241

I knew it was Aaronic, but it totally does sound like erotic! obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #272

Walter Martin is the Christian's expert on Mormonism. You Tube has dozens of videos. libdem4life Oct 2012 #255

The Pukes questioned President Kennedy's ability to keep his Catholicism out of his Presidency! Liberalynn Oct 2012 #267

Romney has sworn to devote himself 100% to establish worldwide Mormon theocracy adamuu Oct 2012 #271

Yup, exactly obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #274

I wouldn't be surprised, but do you have a reference for that? NoMoreWarNow Oct 2012 #285

Attention Christian Americans.. workinclasszero Oct 2012 #275

Almost forgot to share this. redqueen Oct 2012 #281

some great sites on Mormonism NoMoreWarNow Oct 2012 #283

LD$: The Scientology of the 19th Century _ed_ Oct 2012 #289

More than 400,000 views on YouTube so far. highplainsdem Oct 2012 #292

freepers hate muslim for "attacking our way of life" aletier_v Oct 2012 #295

If you think this is nutty, try a full blown Methodist service. It's wild! Safetykitten Oct 2012 #297

okay, i have some family members who are mormon newspeak Oct 2012 #300

The recorded voice reminds me of the Dharma Initiative videos on "Lost". nt CJCRANE Oct 2012 #307

ME TOO!!! obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #315

I don't really have anything to say MrScorpio Oct 2012 #323

Holy shit, I was already depressed condoleeza Oct 2012 #329

Trying to watch the video here it played sound, but no moving pictures, AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2012 #333

you have low bandwidth then Coyotl Oct 2012 #338

Meh, religious hooey is religious hooey Scootaloo Oct 2012 #337

Am I the only one who's weirded out FloridaJudy Oct 2012 #339

then you'll enjoy the South Park espisode about it CreekDog Oct 2012 #340

Dum dum dum dum dum! KamaAina Oct 2012 #359

yeh, it's kind of like this ~ Zorra Oct 2012 #364

You get it right or you go to hell: jsr Oct 2012 #341

Now that is just creepy. DollarBillHines Oct 2012 #350

What's with all the cows? catbyte Oct 2012 #348

You're right waddirum Oct 2012 #456

Wannabe King and Queen, ugh joy2u2 Oct 2012 #349

gotta watch this later! seems perfect for Halloween! n/t BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2012 #352

Yeah, but you have to admit the Annual Magic Undie Pageant is jim-dandy! nt valerief Oct 2012 #353

What's Mitt's new name? KamaAina Oct 2012 #357

Please! That's Bishop Money Boo Boo.... Bluenorthwest Oct 2012 #371

Calling Tom Lehrer! DFW Oct 2012 #358

"Reformed Egyptian" Just what is that? Rambis Oct 2012 #360

A made up, non existent language obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #367

Freaky. You gotta ask "What ae they trying to hide?" McCamy Taylor Oct 2012 #362

The following is my favorite Mormon video: Bigleaf Oct 2012 #365

I need to go watch 250 episodes of the muppet show to get this creepy feeling lindysalsagal Oct 2012 #369

Ann says being missionaries made men of her boys. Basically equating their mission with our troops. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2012 #370

there was never any question her sons would return from their "mssions" Skittles Oct 2012 #372

Who ever filmed this has a lot of guts classykaren Oct 2012 #376

I'm not sure why this song came to mind. adirondacker Oct 2012 #384

replying so i can find it n/t alessiana Oct 2012 #386

Any astronomers out there? The Old Creak Oct 2012 #387

Beats me. I never heard of it. IDoMath Oct 2012 #397

A really long way from Caprica obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #415

Theocrats all of them. n/t GoneOffShore Oct 2012 #388

Just wow. I've always been interested in what goes on in Mormon temples Politicub Oct 2012 #391

I too am amazed,absolutely shocked. A poster below states that only snagglepuss Oct 2012 #403

Come on people! Grow Up! IDoMath Oct 2012 #402

Drama isn't typically a good character trait for whoever has their finger on the button. nt wtmusic Oct 2012 #404

Well, in that case, religious people should all be excluded from public office </sarcasm> n/t IDoMath Oct 2012 #405

Just those who reject mainstream scientific thought wtmusic Oct 2012 #408

I was with you until the looney bin part IDoMath Oct 2012 #452

Stick to math because I bet you're better at that than you are at.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #425

Agreed. Of course these ceremonies are pretty damn close to the Masonic Degree Rituals Taverner Oct 2012 #445

Those elements can be found throughout modern western religions & societies IDoMath Oct 2012 #451

Any and every Christian would regard the beliefs stated in the video as being outright heresy. snagglepuss Oct 2012 #447

So what? IDoMath Oct 2012 #450

Why should I not denigrate beliefs I find contemptible? snagglepuss Oct 2012 #454

Because the DU terms of Service say not to? IDoMath Oct 2012 #458

Bigotry my ass. Criticizing and/or holding an idea in contempt is not bigotry. One can only be snagglepuss Oct 2012 #461

That's nice to know... IDoMath Oct 2012 #463

LOL. Grow up? 48 posts? Well, I declare! Bless your lil ol' heart! Zorra Oct 2012 #449

K&R krawhitham Oct 2012 #406

Romney avoided Vietnam to steer souls away from other Christian religions and into this? gulliver Oct 2012 #407

Nearly a half million views. send this guy $ to advertise. Utah_liberal Oct 2012 #419

Carousel Shankapotomus Oct 2012 #432

I think many evangelicals would find this shocking. K&R myrna minx Oct 2012 #442

All of it ripped off from the Masonic Degree Rituals Taverner Oct 2012 #443

Very cult-like. Jennicut Oct 2012 #459

The next time Mormons knock on my door I will ask "What is wanted?" and see how they react. Erose999 Oct 2012 #460

The core problem I have with Mormonism is that it demands disrespect for non-Mormons. backscatter712 Oct 2012 #462