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Honeycombe8

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38. That wouldn't wash at all.

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 11:33 PM

Oct 2012

If it were premeditated, he wouldn't have called the cops. In fact, the police tape you can hear Zimmerman say he's in his car, that the guy (Martin) is now approaching him, holding something in his hand.

So GZ wasn't following martin at the time, and in fact, the tape indicates it was Martin who was approaching GZ. We know from Martin's girlfriend's statement that Martin says some guy is following him, he tells her he's going to check it out, she hears walking (Martin walking), then she hears him ask someone what he wants. This jives with the police tape.

No premeditation. GZ should be found guilty of something...but what, I don't know. They wouldn't get a murder conviction. It seems clear, from what we know (although we don't know everything) that he was not out to murder Martin.

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So they gave a lot of private stuff about Trayvon to Zimmerman's lawyer, huh? [View all] Stinky The Clown Oct 2012 OP

Robbery they could , rape victims have shield laws former-republican Oct 2012 #1

But guess what atreides1 Oct 2012 #2

either way you won't get 12 jurors? to convict him on 2nd degree murder former-republican Oct 2012 #3

Voluntary Manslaughter is still a felony for which he'll do time Kennah Oct 2012 #4

Tough to prove former-republican Oct 2012 #6

Voluntary and involuntary manslaughter are usually lesser included offenses Kennah Oct 2012 #7

I agree former-republican Oct 2012 #9

Are You sure you are a former? rbrnmw Oct 2012 #25

I'm someone who doesn't let the MSM make my decision for me former-republican Oct 2012 #27

Can you kindly tell me what is it that gives you the impression that Zimmerman will walk? Hutzpa Oct 2012 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #34

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All that is whole bunch of nothing new Hutzpa Oct 2012 #41

lets see what the jury decides former-republican Oct 2012 #42

You can't be serious, unless you're still living in Glenbeckistan Kennah Oct 2012 #8

what is that? former-republican Oct 2012 #10

The place where Glenn Beck listeners go to listen Kennah Oct 2012 #12

Are you saying he did not commit a crime or that a jury will not convict ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #13

I'm saying that I believe one juror former-republican Oct 2012 #18

I want to recall that there as been discussion previously of lesser charges ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #28

It appears that Manslaughter and Third Degree Murder are lesser included offenses for Zimmerman Kennah Oct 2012 #30

In some states they can drop the lesser charges to pressure the jury with only one option. ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #32

Your skepticism may be right, and I will admit to being a foolish optimist ... Kennah Oct 2012 #33

And it's totally irrelevant Nevernose Oct 2012 #5

Whether Martin attacked him is indeed relevant. Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #36

At the same time, Zimmerman's lawyers are fighting to protect his privacy Hugabear Oct 2012 #11

Every attorney fights to protect their client's privacy--nothing suspicious there. But, if the Xedniw Oct 2012 #15

Zimmerman's defense has a right to this information, unlike a rape victim's info because Xedniw Oct 2012 #14

lol HiPointDem Oct 2012 #16

Uh, pulling a gun and killing someone isn't considered self-defense against an un-armed person. JaneyVee Oct 2012 #19

It can be under certain circumstances former-republican Oct 2012 #20

Yes...it is. Think woman fighting off a potential rapist. msanthrope Oct 2012 #21

It can be a man fighting off an attacker also former-republican Oct 2012 #24

A pretty good summary--I am of the opinion that GZ should have msanthrope Oct 2012 #23

The only higher is 1st degree former-republican Oct 2012 #26

Yes--and here's an OP I wrote about it--it's a point being missed in the noise. msanthrope Oct 2012 #29

That wouldn't wash at all. Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #38

"Jaybus Fucking Kerist on a Trailer Hitch." unhappycamper Oct 2012 #17

That is beyond disgusting rbrnmw Oct 2012 #22

Martin was a minor, but not what the law would call a child. He was months away from being an adult. Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #39

IANAL but isn't that called "discovery"? (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #35

Yes the defense gets to see the case against him/her. That is how the justice system works rustydog Oct 2012 #37