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11. Sound analysis. Occam's razor is the natural enemy of conspiracy theory. n/t

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So, if Hannah Gutierrez Reed did not put the bullet in the prop gun, how [View all] Baitball Blogger Oct 2021 OP

I hope the Santa Fe PD is up to the task. Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #1

I don't trust the DA Sur Zobra Oct 2021 #31

Some of these cities don't have enough experience to deal with high profile homicide cases. Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #33

It'll be the county and not the city, Sur Zobra Oct 2021 #83

I'll admit this is becoming an interesting mystery FoxNewsSucks Oct 2021 #2

Hannah Gutierrez Reed Goonch Oct 2021 #3

Her publicity photos unfortunately do not inspire a great deal of confidence. Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #38

She says, producers overruled her safety requests Shanti Shanti Shanti Oct 2021 #88

;-{)🖖‍ Goonch Oct 2021 #95

total case of nepotism Skittles Oct 2021 #101

"the possibility that the Right created this situation to destroy him" Effete Snob Oct 2021 #4

I would imagine a thorough investigation will look into ALL possibilities. Baitball Blogger Oct 2021 #8

Sound analysis. Occam's razor is the natural enemy of conspiracy theory. n/t Whiskeytide Oct 2021 #11

The crew could have known what the next shot was. Kablooie Oct 2021 #20

Weren't there some disgruntled crew who walked off? C_U_L8R Oct 2021 #5

Not sure, but it's something they should look into. Baitball Blogger Oct 2021 #15

Yes, the union camera crew left 6 hours before the incident--which means about Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #32

They should be brought in for questioning. Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #34

They were union crew who quit because they were worried about safety Withywindle Oct 2021 #100

Alec Baldwin was NOT the Production Manager (a very specific position), but a Producer hlthe2b Oct 2021 #6

Thank you. I corrected the title. Baitball Blogger Oct 2021 #10

What I have been hearing from the "experts" such as they are, on cable news... Thomas Hurt Oct 2021 #7

Including Himself WHITT Oct 2021 #16

I think you are right, he didn't really check the gun just handed it Baldwin. Thomas Hurt Oct 2021 #18

He's Not Supposed To Touch Any Firearms WHITT Oct 2021 #21

Alec Baldwin has probably been in over a dozen pictures where he handled guns exboyfil Oct 2021 #24

He shot up a submarine in "Hunt for Red October" Thunderbeast Oct 2021 #28

I don't think that's true Hav Oct 2021 #25

That Would Be WHITT Oct 2021 #27

Baldwin should have checked the gun too. BlackSkimmer Oct 2021 #40

They were rehearsing a scene Hav Oct 2021 #43

Every armorer who has commented on this tragedy says actors are NOT to point at people. BlackSkimmer Oct 2021 #62

To double check the gun, Baldwin would have to unload all the rounds and verify that they are dummy LisaL Oct 2021 #73

Most production companies require any actors on the set to observe the guns being loaded ripcord Oct 2021 #86

This production clearly didn't require that. LisaL Oct 2021 #93

They've also said that there are usually lexan shields in front of camera operators around gunfire WarGamer Oct 2021 #91

They were using Covid protocols which is why the AD handed Baldwin the gun. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #67

If anyone can examine the gun, that would give opportunity to put in live rounds. Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #36

the early tv reports said people on the set would have target practice and that was why live ammo orleans Oct 2021 #103

Yes I read that. Only in America would this be encouraged. Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #104

so in addition to being an actor and a producer on this film, he was also a production manager? eShirl Oct 2021 #9

I fixed it. Thank you. Baitball Blogger Oct 2021 #12

My guess is a wacko TFG worshiping Qnut put it there. Roisin Ni Fiachra Oct 2021 #13

The gun angle is the red flag or... Baitball Blogger Oct 2021 #17

Columbo would have settled this. in 1 hour. I may be doc03 Oct 2021 #14

Yep Effete Snob Oct 2021 #23

With so many on a set, I'm actually confident that most will come out Hav Oct 2021 #19

The only way Baldwin would have known that there was a live round exboyfil Oct 2021 #22

The way to know if there is a live round in the camber is to check ripcord Oct 2021 #37

No actor is expected to pull dummy rounds out of a gun Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #39

The rules are put into place by individual production companies ripcord Oct 2021 #42

If you are the armorer or any other export on set Hav Oct 2021 #44

How guns are almost always used does not really apply in Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #46

The first rule of handling guns is there are no unloaded guns Klaralven Oct 2021 #47

That does not apply to this situation, because it wasn't a gun Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #48

All of those rules are always broken on movie sets Hav Oct 2021 #49

This was not a toy gun or a rubber or plastic replica used as a prop gun Klaralven Oct 2021 #50

You are talking about how things are done in Hollywood ripcord Oct 2021 #53

I think you're exactly wrong, but we'll find out. Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #56

I think you are right here. ForgedCrank Oct 2021 #110

So disgruntled magat who didnt appreciate his impression of the Fullduplexxx Oct 2021 #26

Do not rule out labor unrest. Sneederbunk Oct 2021 #29

I'm still pretty sure this armorer wasn't fully aware of what was loaded Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #30

That sums it up. Baitball Blogger Oct 2021 #35

She is the one responsible for loading and unloading it. LisaL Oct 2021 #60

Yes, she'd better be hoping that someone waited for her to turn her back Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #63

How did a live round get anywhere near the movie set? Mysterian Oct 2021 #41

Did the script call for Baldwin to point and shoot the gun at Halyna Hutchins? Klaralven Oct 2021 #45

From what I have read sarisataka Oct 2021 #51

Some reference for what should have happened ripcord Oct 2021 #76

Good information sarisataka Oct 2021 #79

Do you think the script might have been about him aiming the gun Hav Oct 2021 #52

Alec Baldwin was practicing drawing gun when it discharged Klaralven Oct 2021 #54

Which is why I do not sarisataka Oct 2021 #57

I think we'll learn more as time passes Hav Oct 2021 #58

I had read he was practicing a cross-draw type of action, I saw no Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #55

I also assume it discharged during the motion and not while Hav Oct 2021 #61

I've seen reports that they are careful that no one is in the way of a potential blank discharge, Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #64

Gun was loaded with dummies (not blanks) and one live ammo. LisaL Oct 2021 #70

Some people are willing to sarisataka Oct 2021 #66

Well, I think I could be fair no matter who the actor involved was. Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #74

None xmas74 Oct 2021 #82

To be negligent, one doesn't have to intentionally point a gun at someone. Kaleva Oct 2021 #71

I don't know that the evidence yet supports he was negligent as an actor unless his Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #75

Standard safety rules apply everywhere. Kaleva Oct 2021 #77

He WAS under the supervision of someone who was trained on the use of guns on Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #78

The safety rules are simple as heck Kaleva Oct 2021 #80

Right, and that's why an actor would never think there's an actual bullet in Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #81

The very fact he had the gun in hand that killed one and wounded another proves it. Kaleva Oct 2021 #84

He pointed it at the camera but hey don't let the facts get in the way. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #69

He pointed it at the camera because that was how the shot was supposed to go. haele Oct 2021 #85

Yes we agree. Or were you meaning to gldstwmn Oct 2021 #87

He did more than point it at the camera Crepuscular Oct 2021 #96

He was camera blocking a scene in a movie. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #97

... Crepuscular Oct 2021 #98

Sorry, Alec Baldwin with criminal charges isn't going to be in your Christmas stocking this year. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #99

... Crepuscular Oct 2021 #105

What's that old Dusty Springfield song? Wishin' and hopin'? gldstwmn Oct 2021 #108

There is no statement like this from her. LisaL Oct 2021 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author spanone Oct 2021 #90

It's whomever used the gun for target practice at lunch. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #65

That's just a rumor. LisaL Oct 2021 #68

Yes and my post is my opinion on the OP. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #72

My theory... WarGamer Oct 2021 #89

It was not brought from home. LisaL Oct 2021 #92

I thought I heard that the armorer had 2 guns in her control and thre were 3 on the gun cart? WarGamer Oct 2021 #94

From the yahoo news article, witness blames the AD, not the armorer. FreepFryer Oct 2021 #102

The plot thickens. Baitball Blogger Oct 2021 #106

That's not an either/or Azathoth Oct 2021 #109

She was responsible for custody of the gun. End of story. Azathoth Oct 2021 #107