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sarisataka

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66. Some people are willing to

Fri Oct 29, 2021, 04:52 PM

Oct 2021

Throw the book at Mr. Baldwin. Some are willing to excuse him for any and all liability because he's Alec Baldwin.

Some other actors might be viewed more sympathetically but I could name several that 'we' would be demanding their immediate arrest and prosecution with life imprisonment.

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So, if Hannah Gutierrez Reed did not put the bullet in the prop gun, how [View all] Baitball Blogger Oct 2021 OP

I hope the Santa Fe PD is up to the task. Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #1

I don't trust the DA Sur Zobra Oct 2021 #31

Some of these cities don't have enough experience to deal with high profile homicide cases. Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #33

It'll be the county and not the city, Sur Zobra Oct 2021 #83

I'll admit this is becoming an interesting mystery FoxNewsSucks Oct 2021 #2

Hannah Gutierrez Reed Goonch Oct 2021 #3

Her publicity photos unfortunately do not inspire a great deal of confidence. Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #38

She says, producers overruled her safety requests Shanti Shanti Shanti Oct 2021 #88

;-{)🖖‍ Goonch Oct 2021 #95

total case of nepotism Skittles Oct 2021 #101

"the possibility that the Right created this situation to destroy him" Effete Snob Oct 2021 #4

I would imagine a thorough investigation will look into ALL possibilities. Baitball Blogger Oct 2021 #8

Sound analysis. Occam's razor is the natural enemy of conspiracy theory. n/t Whiskeytide Oct 2021 #11

The crew could have known what the next shot was. Kablooie Oct 2021 #20

Weren't there some disgruntled crew who walked off? C_U_L8R Oct 2021 #5

Not sure, but it's something they should look into. Baitball Blogger Oct 2021 #15

Yes, the union camera crew left 6 hours before the incident--which means about Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #32

They should be brought in for questioning. Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #34

They were union crew who quit because they were worried about safety Withywindle Oct 2021 #100

Alec Baldwin was NOT the Production Manager (a very specific position), but a Producer hlthe2b Oct 2021 #6

Thank you. I corrected the title. Baitball Blogger Oct 2021 #10

What I have been hearing from the "experts" such as they are, on cable news... Thomas Hurt Oct 2021 #7

Including Himself WHITT Oct 2021 #16

I think you are right, he didn't really check the gun just handed it Baldwin. Thomas Hurt Oct 2021 #18

He's Not Supposed To Touch Any Firearms WHITT Oct 2021 #21

Alec Baldwin has probably been in over a dozen pictures where he handled guns exboyfil Oct 2021 #24

He shot up a submarine in "Hunt for Red October" Thunderbeast Oct 2021 #28

I don't think that's true Hav Oct 2021 #25

That Would Be WHITT Oct 2021 #27

Baldwin should have checked the gun too. BlackSkimmer Oct 2021 #40

They were rehearsing a scene Hav Oct 2021 #43

Every armorer who has commented on this tragedy says actors are NOT to point at people. BlackSkimmer Oct 2021 #62

To double check the gun, Baldwin would have to unload all the rounds and verify that they are dummy LisaL Oct 2021 #73

Most production companies require any actors on the set to observe the guns being loaded ripcord Oct 2021 #86

This production clearly didn't require that. LisaL Oct 2021 #93

They've also said that there are usually lexan shields in front of camera operators around gunfire WarGamer Oct 2021 #91

They were using Covid protocols which is why the AD handed Baldwin the gun. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #67

If anyone can examine the gun, that would give opportunity to put in live rounds. Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #36

the early tv reports said people on the set would have target practice and that was why live ammo orleans Oct 2021 #103

Yes I read that. Only in America would this be encouraged. Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #104

so in addition to being an actor and a producer on this film, he was also a production manager? eShirl Oct 2021 #9

I fixed it. Thank you. Baitball Blogger Oct 2021 #12

My guess is a wacko TFG worshiping Qnut put it there. Roisin Ni Fiachra Oct 2021 #13

The gun angle is the red flag or... Baitball Blogger Oct 2021 #17

Columbo would have settled this. in 1 hour. I may be doc03 Oct 2021 #14

Yep Effete Snob Oct 2021 #23

With so many on a set, I'm actually confident that most will come out Hav Oct 2021 #19

The only way Baldwin would have known that there was a live round exboyfil Oct 2021 #22

The way to know if there is a live round in the camber is to check ripcord Oct 2021 #37

No actor is expected to pull dummy rounds out of a gun Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #39

The rules are put into place by individual production companies ripcord Oct 2021 #42

If you are the armorer or any other export on set Hav Oct 2021 #44

How guns are almost always used does not really apply in Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #46

The first rule of handling guns is there are no unloaded guns Klaralven Oct 2021 #47

That does not apply to this situation, because it wasn't a gun Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #48

All of those rules are always broken on movie sets Hav Oct 2021 #49

This was not a toy gun or a rubber or plastic replica used as a prop gun Klaralven Oct 2021 #50

You are talking about how things are done in Hollywood ripcord Oct 2021 #53

I think you're exactly wrong, but we'll find out. Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #56

I think you are right here. ForgedCrank Oct 2021 #110

So disgruntled magat who didnt appreciate his impression of the Fullduplexxx Oct 2021 #26

Do not rule out labor unrest. Sneederbunk Oct 2021 #29

I'm still pretty sure this armorer wasn't fully aware of what was loaded Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #30

That sums it up. Baitball Blogger Oct 2021 #35

She is the one responsible for loading and unloading it. LisaL Oct 2021 #60

Yes, she'd better be hoping that someone waited for her to turn her back Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #63

How did a live round get anywhere near the movie set? Mysterian Oct 2021 #41

Did the script call for Baldwin to point and shoot the gun at Halyna Hutchins? Klaralven Oct 2021 #45

From what I have read sarisataka Oct 2021 #51

Some reference for what should have happened ripcord Oct 2021 #76

Good information sarisataka Oct 2021 #79

Do you think the script might have been about him aiming the gun Hav Oct 2021 #52

Alec Baldwin was practicing drawing gun when it discharged Klaralven Oct 2021 #54

Which is why I do not sarisataka Oct 2021 #57

I think we'll learn more as time passes Hav Oct 2021 #58

I had read he was practicing a cross-draw type of action, I saw no Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #55

I also assume it discharged during the motion and not while Hav Oct 2021 #61

I've seen reports that they are careful that no one is in the way of a potential blank discharge, Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #64

Gun was loaded with dummies (not blanks) and one live ammo. LisaL Oct 2021 #70

Some people are willing to sarisataka Oct 2021 #66

Well, I think I could be fair no matter who the actor involved was. Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #74

None xmas74 Oct 2021 #82

To be negligent, one doesn't have to intentionally point a gun at someone. Kaleva Oct 2021 #71

I don't know that the evidence yet supports he was negligent as an actor unless his Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #75

Standard safety rules apply everywhere. Kaleva Oct 2021 #77

He WAS under the supervision of someone who was trained on the use of guns on Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #78

The safety rules are simple as heck Kaleva Oct 2021 #80

Right, and that's why an actor would never think there's an actual bullet in Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #81

The very fact he had the gun in hand that killed one and wounded another proves it. Kaleva Oct 2021 #84

He pointed it at the camera but hey don't let the facts get in the way. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #69

He pointed it at the camera because that was how the shot was supposed to go. haele Oct 2021 #85

Yes we agree. Or were you meaning to gldstwmn Oct 2021 #87

He did more than point it at the camera Crepuscular Oct 2021 #96

He was camera blocking a scene in a movie. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #97

... Crepuscular Oct 2021 #98

Sorry, Alec Baldwin with criminal charges isn't going to be in your Christmas stocking this year. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #99

... Crepuscular Oct 2021 #105

What's that old Dusty Springfield song? Wishin' and hopin'? gldstwmn Oct 2021 #108

There is no statement like this from her. LisaL Oct 2021 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author spanone Oct 2021 #90

It's whomever used the gun for target practice at lunch. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #65

That's just a rumor. LisaL Oct 2021 #68

Yes and my post is my opinion on the OP. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #72

My theory... WarGamer Oct 2021 #89

It was not brought from home. LisaL Oct 2021 #92

I thought I heard that the armorer had 2 guns in her control and thre were 3 on the gun cart? WarGamer Oct 2021 #94

From the yahoo news article, witness blames the AD, not the armorer. FreepFryer Oct 2021 #102

The plot thickens. Baitball Blogger Oct 2021 #106

That's not an either/or Azathoth Oct 2021 #109

She was responsible for custody of the gun. End of story. Azathoth Oct 2021 #107