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Hortensis

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276. But, did you give thought to how the Republicans could be

Sun Oct 31, 2021, 05:20 AM

Oct 2021

moved to support these bills? Just a few of them would be needed.

McConnell is not desperate to pass the BIF, with its big contracts all designed and awarded as Democrats choose.

Badly underestimating him is apparently what's required to "justify" the desire of some to go for all or nothing with the lives of 200 million Americans, and they would find just how mistaken they were if they went up against him.

McConnell's determined to win back power in the next election. I know he'd be glad, but my guess is he'd be overjoyed if the Democratic Party engineered its own total failure by willfully trashing this historic opportunity.

Including the millions of good jobs that will be created, universal pre-K, and taking many big actions fight climate change (more jobs!). Hope is bad news for Republicans at election time.

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Beware of People Pretending to Be on Our Side [View all] MineralMan Oct 2021 OP

Thus it begins. The blaming of Progressives Autumn Oct 2021 #1

All I have seen here is blaming the moderates including "corporate Democrats" question everything Oct 2021 #4

You might look a little harder. Autumn Oct 2021 #7

+1000 bluewater Oct 2021 #74

Don't need to look hard, I see Manchin and Sinema bashing here every day. DiamondShark Oct 2021 #194

Yes, let's make sure we don't talk about candidates voting records iemanja Oct 2021 #246

We have some right-wing "moderates" who are sabotaging voting rights and BBB. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #92

.... KPN Oct 2021 #105

Here's what I think a corporate Democrat is.. Violet_Crumble Oct 2021 #271

I do not think this op is blaming progressives. Progressives are supporting the Biden agenda. UCmeNdc Oct 2021 #5

They are not "moderates" though, they are grifters themaguffin Oct 2021 #12

IOW, rhymes with "corporate doors." OMGWTF Oct 2021 #58

yes, and posers bringthePaine Oct 2021 #99

👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 onecaliberal Oct 2021 #108

Who Mentioned Progressives? MineralMan Oct 2021 #8

Yeah we know. If we think incrementalism is what we need to go for while Democrats control the Autumn Oct 2021 #11

We do not "control" the Senate. MineralMan Oct 2021 #14

I like what you posted but, gab13by13 Oct 2021 #26

Amazing how well Republicans can control and get what they want, while in the minority. Autumn Oct 2021 #29

The Republicans are very good at blocking things, it's true. MineralMan Oct 2021 #35

Actually, republicons accomplished a lot FoxNewsSucks Oct 2021 #106

Outside of tax breaks for the wealthy what did they accomplish? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 #176

I don't believe they ever intended to do any of those things, FoxNewsSucks Oct 2021 #183

They sure wouldn't! Fascist strategy is tear down, burn up, and take over. Hortensis Oct 2021 #97

Funny, I haven't seen one right wing bill passed... Zeitghost Oct 2021 #103

The GOP has a 60 vote majority in the Senate when Trump was elected and they got very little...taxes Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #159

+1 betsuni Oct 2021 #161

You assume they want to do things for the country . FoxNewsSucks Oct 2021 #184

Oh they want to do things...like destroy the ACA and Medicare...social security...outlaw abortion... Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #225

When they make it so that we can't ever vote them out, FoxNewsSucks Oct 2021 #228

Yup. Beyond the things you mentioned, Republicans only want power to STOP DemocraticPatriot Oct 2021 #240

No they did not have a 60 vote majority in the Senate when Trump was elected. Not even close. Celerity Oct 2021 #186

Thank you for posting truth each day. MerryBlooms Oct 2021 #191

Thank you so much. I enjoy your posts as well. Celerity Oct 2021 #192

Very similar scenario to what is happening now. MichMan Oct 2021 #200

We need a bigger majority and so did they...but the bottom line for them is the stuff they want to Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #227

My apologies...but the point still stands...they got very little...couldn't even get rid of the ACA. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #226

Yes. They do that through incrementalism. Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #249

Specific combination of pork, bribes, and political extortion: lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #96

Yes we do, we just don't control messages well and do shit that loses votes such as uponit7771 Oct 2021 #243

No, we don't. We have no surplus members in our caucus. MineralMan Oct 2021 #247

Surplus of members does NOT define control of congress. Dems CONSTITUTIONALLY have control of ... uponit7771 Oct 2021 #262

Really, we would get something...your ideas leave us with nothing at all. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #20

We did just that. If we had more we would still be short. Autumn Oct 2021 #31

Dems always need 73 senators and a genie d_b Oct 2021 #57

this made me (bitterly) LOL Celerity Oct 2021 #95

73 senators, a genie and a partridge a pear tree. It's like some who pretend to be on our side Autumn Oct 2021 #166

We have a 5050 senate. That is what we have...and we need more senators...bottom line. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #165

With Democratic "control" of the Senate as it stands now, mcar Oct 2021 #38

Blah blah blah Bully Pulpit AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2021 #94

Yep. "Bully pulpit" "LBJ" "FDR" mcar Oct 2021 #107

+1 betsuni Oct 2021 #160

Bazinga! George II Oct 2021 #174

Nailed it! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2021 #203

+1 Last line. sheshe2 Oct 2021 #255

I don't get what other bill people think could have been passed. This is the one we were Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #248

Snap! sheshe2 Oct 2021 #256

Hey, sheshe2! Hope your weekend is a good one. Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #257

Hey, Scrivener. sheshe2 Oct 2021 #258

Have you paid any attention to how the GOP operates? CrackityJones75 Oct 2021 #140

Cute. Voltaire2 Oct 2021 #13

Cute? I many be many things, but cute is not one of them. MineralMan Oct 2021 #17

Your post, not you. Voltaire2 Oct 2021 #19

My post represents my opinion. MineralMan Oct 2021 #21

Your post avoids identifying your witches. Voltaire2 Oct 2021 #27

+1000 bluewater Oct 2021 #75

I agree with your post MM, gab13by13 Oct 2021 #37

Thanks! MineralMan Oct 2021 #45

I keep reminding people that the root of the word "progressive" is "progress". One can't be a.... George II Oct 2021 #261

Yes. Exactly. MineralMan Oct 2021 #263

This... progressoid Oct 2021 #30

I'm blaming them ALL. calimary Oct 2021 #41

I'm blaming the ones that are doing the damage. We know who they are, and why they are doing it Autumn Oct 2021 #52

We do, yes. sheshe2 Oct 2021 #259

nope azureblue Oct 2021 #85

No, not at all. I'm commenting on Dems blaming progressives. Don't comment on what I didn't say. Autumn Oct 2021 #91

Truest statement have seen all morning Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2021 #282

Wow, quick to get defensive there.... AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2021 #93

Revealing isn't it grantcart Oct 2021 #131

It's pretty much on display in the OP. progressoid Oct 2021 #154

You think? Talk about defensive there skiffy, it's interesting how defensive people get when you Autumn Oct 2021 #279

Yup berni_mccoy Oct 2021 #98

If the shoe fits. 11 Bravo Oct 2021 #171

Yeah blame them for voting lfor their own choice of a politician. Autumn Oct 2021 #172

He's talking about MAGAs pretending to be liberal or progressive C Moon Oct 2021 #190

K&R UCmeNdc Oct 2021 #2

Beware of people pointing fingers at others. CentralMass Oct 2021 #3

+1000 bluewater Oct 2021 #76

Yes. The OP very carefully avoids saying who the finger points to, which pretty much guarantees Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #250

There's an alternative point to that. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #6

We're down to 1/6th. Voltaire2 Oct 2021 #9

Probably. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #23

yep. n/t progressoid Oct 2021 #28

Progress is a direction. MineralMan Oct 2021 #10

I disagree. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #16

Some disagree with me. I can live with that. MineralMan Oct 2021 #18

As does mine. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #24

You make it sound like an all or nothing proposition, which would be disastrous IMHO. Dems could... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2021 #205

It is called compromise...and you want better policy help elect more Democrats... Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #25

It's called action hamsterjill Oct 2021 #36

If you truly believe that Democrats can get more, gab13by13 Oct 2021 #46

If it were up to me? hamsterjill Oct 2021 #54

Wow, so do things that the GQP does, gab13by13 Oct 2021 #60

Can't take a knife to a gun fight. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #63

Time to start fighting fire with fire. hadEnuf Oct 2021 #100

Thank you. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #102

I agree XanaDUer2 Oct 2021 #115

Thank you. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #118

I really need Medicare age lowered XanaDUer2 Oct 2021 #122

I want dirt on them. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #124

I'm fine with that too nt XanaDUer2 Oct 2021 #126

How about making Manchin & Sinema pay dearly for their treachery? hadEnuf Oct 2021 #148

You're right. Some seem intent on officially pushing Manchin into the arms of the GOP. That.... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2021 #206

That just isn't going to happen. They have lots of power and lots of attention as long as Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #253

You and I usually agree, but I would have no problem using their dirt against them. Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #251

Not sure what's worse... brooklynite Oct 2021 #149

Oh my!!! hamsterjill Oct 2021 #150

That seems like a movie...none of that would work. Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #163

Sure. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #178

That is how it starts, remember the ACA Bev54 Oct 2021 #32

You assume there is time to do that and I disagree. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #39

The reality is, that is not happening right now and yes everyone would like to get the full Bev54 Oct 2021 #42

It's going to happen anyway if we don't get a decent bill passed. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #47

Yes they do but right now they are constrained Bev54 Oct 2021 #50

And if we get nothing, we shouldn't speak up? hamsterjill Oct 2021 #56

It is not nothing, there is a lot in the bill Bev54 Oct 2021 #66

Okay. Once the bill passes... hamsterjill Oct 2021 #68

I was once very idealistic when I was young but learned the world does Bev54 Oct 2021 #77

We disagree. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #86

It's not going to happen this time. Now what? NurseJackie Oct 2021 #196

I applaude your VERY TRUE WORDS!!! bluestarone Oct 2021 #217

The bill hasn't even been written yet, and most of the substance has been stripped Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #84

Exactly. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #116

I'm sick of hearing people characterize real progress as being "shit". NurseJackie Oct 2021 #156

Too bad. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #157

Complain away. It's just a silly thing to do and serves no good purpose. NurseJackie Oct 2021 #162

You assume that I feel bad? hamsterjill Oct 2021 #177

Having the "right to an opinion" doesn't mean the opinion is correct. NurseJackie Oct 2021 #195

I tire of the proselytizing. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #198

Well... NurseJackie Oct 2021 #201

+1 betsuni Oct 2021 #202

Why do you continue this? hamsterjill Oct 2021 #207

That's okay. It's not only about one person. Others will read my words... NurseJackie Oct 2021 #213

I wouldn't be too sure about that. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #215

It's not about me... It's only about the truth. NurseJackie Oct 2021 #236

Have a great weekend. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #237

Once again, it's not about me. NurseJackie Oct 2021 #242

I read what NJ has to say, always do. sheshe2 Oct 2021 #260

That's your prerogative then. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #264

I did not swipe or chastise you. sheshe2 Oct 2021 #265

I wasn't referring to you. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #267

Well, you said in response to ME: sheshe2 Oct 2021 #268

That's right... I'm reading your words & Cha Oct 2021 #245

Not only is the bill written, but the text has been posted. Focusing on what isn't in the bill lapucelle Oct 2021 #252

What was "promised?" mcar Oct 2021 #40

Lowering the age for Medicare for one thing. hamsterjill Oct 2021 #43

I would have liked that one too mcar Oct 2021 #49

+1000 bluewater Oct 2021 #53

Good advice! BlueJac Oct 2021 #15

Correct is right malaise Oct 2021 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #33

Actually, what we're currently calling progress is mostly returning to the New Deal & Great Society rickyhall Oct 2021 #34

Well, yes, in many ways. MineralMan Oct 2021 #59

Most changes are not completed in a single pass KS Toronado Oct 2021 #44

Exactly. MineralMan Oct 2021 #48

I agree with you MM, gab13by13 Oct 2021 #51

I'm pretty sure that Manchin and Sinema are not MineralMan Oct 2021 #55

It appears to me that what is being said is, gab13by13 Oct 2021 #61

Yes. However, I don't think that will be the case. MineralMan Oct 2021 #71

Beware of people obstructing Biden's agenda. Got it wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #62

+1000 bluewater Oct 2021 #65

Also beware of those who gaslight the vast majority of the party wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #80

"acquiescing to the whims of a vanishing minority of the caucus" bluewater Oct 2021 #90

Yes, you can see it in the cavalier attitude expressed in this thread wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #104

McConnell called Medicare the #1 driver of debt. MarcA Oct 2021 #135

It is by far the biggest driver of debt in an amortised basis, BUT Celerity Oct 2021 #193

This is complicated people Oct 2021 #64

One thing I know is that I don't know Manchin or Sinema, MineralMan Oct 2021 #79

+1 betsuni Oct 2021 #168

Progress is not revolution...and a shitty bill is not progress Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #67

Yup. Voltaire2 Oct 2021 #72

I hear ya. Manchin and Sinema had some fooled but we know what they are all about at this point. jalan48 Oct 2021 #69

+1000 bluewater Oct 2021 #73

Well, we have to deal with that as best we can, frankly. MineralMan Oct 2021 #82

Yes, and unfortunately two Senators are torpedoing Biden's and the rest of OUR Party's agenda. jalan48 Oct 2021 #87

Well, they're limiting progress to some degree, but not stopping it. MineralMan Oct 2021 #89

That remains to be seen, doesn't it? dpibel Oct 2021 #114

Why? Not MM, but for me the difference is democracy v anti-democracy. Hortensis Oct 2021 #278

It's the system we have, but it's not democracy dpibel Oct 2021 #280

It's the system our western liberal democracy has. Claiming a need Hortensis Oct 2021 #281

Who'd vote for corrupt, betraying Republicans if they knew who WE really are? Hortensis Oct 2021 #70

Funny that my read of your post Sogo Oct 2021 #78

Yeah, well, I'm used to that, I guess. MineralMan Oct 2021 #83

Sure CentralMass Oct 2021 #117

👍 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 #180

You are in very good company this morning. Beastly Boy Oct 2021 #81

Thanks. I'm afraid that's how I see it as well. MineralMan Oct 2021 #88

"Progress is not Revolution." Nixie Oct 2021 #101

With all of the hand-wringing in the MSM about Democrats, nothing is said about dlk Oct 2021 #109

Totally agree. Joinfortmill Oct 2021 #110

Our side includes many diverse points of view. Caliman73 Oct 2021 #111

That's not a wrong concept, FoxNewsSucks Oct 2021 #112

OK you all or nothing people, gab13by13 Oct 2021 #113

??? I've noticed it seems like the opposite. Nt Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2021 #283

Like Manchin and Sinema? I've been saying for some time they are only pretending to be on our side berni_mccoy Oct 2021 #119

And your solution for that is? MineralMan Oct 2021 #121

Be patient and pass both bills together. This is the only way berni_mccoy Oct 2021 #123

Do you suppose that our Democratic congressional leadership MineralMan Oct 2021 #128

Pelosi was pushing the house to pass the BIF before Biden leaves berni_mccoy Oct 2021 #130

A lot of talk about the 2 senators crud Oct 2021 #120

See, though, the thing is that neither you nor I have any influence on MineralMan Oct 2021 #125

personally crud Oct 2021 #134

That's probably going to require killing the filibuster. MineralMan Oct 2021 #136

In general or on DU? UnderThisLaw Oct 2021 #127

Both. MineralMan Oct 2021 #129

" Progress is not Revolution.". Nice dog whistle, MM. SYFROYH Oct 2021 #132

Hmm... MineralMan Oct 2021 #139

a helpful tip (if this is what you had) Celerity Oct 2021 #222

As you know, I'm not a purist. I like noodles, MineralMan Oct 2021 #223

'And meatballs aren't necessarily Swedish.' Celerity Oct 2021 #224

Ah, well neither are the meatballs in the Stouffer's product Swedish. MineralMan Oct 2021 #234

And the purity brigade goes to their default "victim" position right off the bat in the responses. BannonsLiver Oct 2021 #133

So it continues, anyhow. MineralMan Oct 2021 #137

+1 betsuni Oct 2021 #170

Wasn't that the intention? Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #254

My favorite DUer. EmeraldCoaster Oct 2021 #138

My point is all of the things people need are out of the bill in order TO PROTECT BILLIONAIRES. onecaliberal Oct 2021 #141

What moniss Oct 2021 #142

Yes, time is running out for many things. MineralMan Oct 2021 #143

You miss moniss Oct 2021 #147

What if intransigence caused the entire thing to fail? Hortensis Oct 2021 #229

Moscow Mitch moniss Oct 2021 #239

No, they are not desperate for that bill, nor are their current donors, Hortensis Oct 2021 #241

To moniss Oct 2021 #269

So, what's your plan? MineralMan Oct 2021 #232

You moniss Oct 2021 #238

Sounds like you want two general uprisings against the government. Hortensis Oct 2021 #244

History moniss Oct 2021 #270

Good trouble? Like the #BLM marches? You must know Hortensis Oct 2021 #273

I normally moniss Oct 2021 #274

But, did you give thought to how the Republicans could be Hortensis Oct 2021 #276

Yes, Indeed. Patton French Oct 2021 #144

And who would those people be? brooklynite Oct 2021 #145

Just what I described. MineralMan Oct 2021 #146

I'm not about naming names. MineralMan Oct 2021 #155

No, it's not a "simple post". It's quite elliptical. You've tried hard to be unclear. muriel_volestrangler Oct 2021 #158

I'll just let the post stand on its own. MineralMan Oct 2021 #164

+10000000000000000 Celerity Oct 2021 #179

Yes beware the "Concern Troll" nt Shermann Oct 2021 #151

This is a great post. Thank you for it. nt Baltimike Oct 2021 #152

I completely agree with you Moebym Oct 2021 #153

Like the OP AZProgressive Oct 2021 #167

Twitter and TikTok beat anything out there. Autumn Oct 2021 #182

It's certainly easier to find people who agree with you 100% on Twitter. MineralMan Oct 2021 #221

What I mean is everyone is who they say they are on there AZProgressive Oct 2021 #230

Do you really think that's true? MineralMan Oct 2021 #231

I'm here since 2008 also AZProgressive Oct 2021 #233

There are some Conservative Cave moles hanging around on DU. MineralMan Oct 2021 #235

I have a type who I consider your framing apropos for: those who insisted that we HAD to pass Celerity Oct 2021 #169

Eureka, I think you've got it! The root of the word "progressive" is "progress". George II Oct 2021 #173

Is this like the movie character who says..... BradAllison Oct 2021 #175

80% of Americans don't want to be thrown under the bus again traitorsgalore Oct 2021 #181

C'mon, MM Roy Rolling Oct 2021 #185

Well that blew up quick. KentuckyWoman Oct 2021 #187

I'm a radical environmentalist and some kind of socialist. hunter Oct 2021 #188

Rick Santorum is beside himself... czarjak Oct 2021 #189

But if THEY decide to foist a Revolution upon us, Dystopian Optimist Oct 2021 #197

That will be the most effective anti-Democratic propaganda. betsuni Oct 2021 #199

We have two outstanding examples, both of who we elected: Sinema and Manchin. olegramps Oct 2021 #204

A Very Good Point, Indeed. MineralMan Oct 2021 #209

What I have to say this morning is I am very aware of who is pretending to be on my side. Autumn Oct 2021 #208

What side? betsuni Oct 2021 #210

well............. Celerity Oct 2021 #211

Okay Cel. She might be in a vacuum. But her posts are there for all time. Autumn Oct 2021 #212

Like Manchin and Sinema? If they would commit to voting for the Infrastructure Roisin Ni Fiachra Oct 2021 #214

Yes, they are examples of what I said. MineralMan Oct 2021 #218

It may be a shock, but every one of todays'politician has one major and sole objective: Reelection. olegramps Oct 2021 #216

Again MM i bluestarone Oct 2021 #219

Thanks. Yes, cooler heads will prevail. MineralMan Oct 2021 #220

K&R ismnotwasm Oct 2021 #266

Two questions, Mineral Man... Violet_Crumble Oct 2021 #272

Pretending to be on our (Democratic) side: Our Revolution/Brand New Congress/Justice Democrats/ betsuni Oct 2021 #275

Thanks for the recommendation. Violet_Crumble Oct 2021 #277