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In reply to the discussion: Time for Democrats to cut ties with Joe Manchin [View all]Celerity
(54,351 posts)timelines and/or more false claims.
You are yet again falsely claiming Biden's compromise reduced topline number for the BBB to be his original number.
That is simply untrue, the $3.5 trillion proposal that I have laid out in great detail so many times was his original framework topline number (3.5 trillion for BB, and 2.6 trillion in new spend and tax incentives for the BIF) I have provided fully detailed evidence and documentation that definitively proves you to be in error. I have already exposed and debunked everything you have been claiming about this, and have done so for weeks with full documentation.
You have nothing left but to keep on repeating fundamentally false claims and and also attempt to remake/misrepresent timelines that betray the falsity of your claims.
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This is classic sophistry, equating meaningless protest votes (that blocked nothing in terms of passage) with actual deleterious blocking and gutting by Manchin (and Sinema).
Manchin blocked Neera Tanden and forced Biden to withdraw her nomination as head of OMB when he publicly, on the record, came out as a No against her. Sanders' 2 protest No votes (which I have already detailed and documented on numerous occasions) had ZERO effect on either the Endless Frontier Act passing or Vilsacks Agriculture Secretary nomination passing.
Manchin and Sinema have already gutted a combined $3.8 trillion from Biden's two major infrastructure proposals, including ripping out entire massive key programmes, such as Family and Medical Paid Leave (to give but one example), programmes that were the centrepieces to Biden's campaign and his legislative agenda.
The progressives have blocked nothing, have gutted nothing, and are working tirelessly to help Biden's core agenda get passed as much as possible.
Like it our not, that is just the way it is. I get that it frustrates you, but sometimes you simply cannot win a debate, especially when you use fundamentally false positings and false equivalencies, ones that have now been thoroughly exposed as false for weeks.