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22. The Jury will decide if the self-defense standard, as written into LAW applies...

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] WarGamer Nov 2021 OP

Killing someone is illegal. onecaliberal Nov 2021 #1

If you would have said "Killing someone is wrong..." that'd be a better claim. WarGamer Nov 2021 #3

IMHO, you guys are looking for ForgedCrank Nov 2021 #13

I hear you and should have clarified. For this instance. onecaliberal Nov 2021 #30

I'm not sure how this misinformation keeps spreading. ForgedCrank Nov 2021 #35

Correction: yagotme Nov 2021 #38

You are correct. Not sure how I ForgedCrank Nov 2021 #48

I know how. yagotme Nov 2021 #51

Travon had good reason to be at his dad's house in his dads neighborhood. onecaliberal Nov 2021 #39

I'm not talking about the Zimmerman trial. That was ForgedCrank Nov 2021 #100

I agree with you about passing laws Mr.Bill Nov 2021 #56

Many times it's perfectly legal. Try again. PTWB Nov 2021 #29

Not always treestar Nov 2021 #49

To be more specific, Mr.Bill Nov 2021 #58

Most of the time. Zeitghost Nov 2021 #63

Not sure, but bet if Rittenhouse walked down a NY street with a rifle dangling from his neck Hoyt Nov 2021 #2

Can confirm that you can walk down the street with a longrifle in NY. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #14

... kcr Nov 2021 #82

Well the man said you couldn't walk around in NY with a rifle. That's patently false. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #92

Seems like an attempt to preemptively excuse... jcgoldie Nov 2021 #4

in what way was the LAW not followed? WarGamer Nov 2021 #5

the judge has repeatedly put his thumb on the scale in favor of the defense jcgoldie Nov 2021 #7

The weapons charge being pre-emptively dismissed? lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #8

That's not how the LAW reads. WarGamer Nov 2021 #9

Sorry, your CITATION didn't come through on my browser. lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #11

Look again. WarGamer Nov 2021 #12

Oops. Looks like a Twit thread. lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #15

Actually the Twitter thread displays the laws involved... did you even look? WarGamer Nov 2021 #16

Twit is a RW platform; I don't click on it. lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #17

Then you missed out on the applicable text of the law with highlighted sections WarGamer Nov 2021 #18

Let's not discount the interpretation of laws as a mechanism. Torchlight Nov 2021 #10

He won't walk..The court allowed for conviction on lesser charges whathehell Nov 2021 #6

I've always thought second degree intentional homicide TexasBushwhacker Nov 2021 #42

Yes, I'm not sure how it works in Wisconsin whathehell Nov 2021 #44

Wisconsin does not have a "manslaughter" charge TexasBushwhacker Nov 2021 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author TexasBushwhacker Nov 2021 #43

Uhm. mzmolly Nov 2021 #19

But murder has a legal definition and exceptions that apply... WarGamer Nov 2021 #20

There are no valid exceptions mzmolly Nov 2021 #21

The Jury will decide if the self-defense standard, as written into LAW applies... WarGamer Nov 2021 #22

And should the jury be reasonable mzmolly Nov 2021 #24

#2-3 were clearly a danger. WarGamer Nov 2021 #25

You should mzmolly Nov 2021 #26

Why would I listen to the arguments of salesmen? WarGamer Nov 2021 #27

The evidence is that Rittenhouse committed mzmolly Nov 2021 #32

We clearly disagree... WarGamer Nov 2021 #34

The prosecution pointed out mzmolly Nov 2021 #37

The prosecution kind of left out the "retreat" angle. yagotme Nov 2021 #40

Rittenhouse was chased after his first blatant murder. Others, had a right to self defense. mzmolly Nov 2021 #41

Who are you referring to as "others"? yagotme Nov 2021 #46

Anyone in the area, who didn't want to get shot mzmolly Nov 2021 #47

What talking points? yagotme Nov 2021 #50

I get it. mzmolly Nov 2021 #52

You CAN defend yourself against a guy with an AR-15... yagotme Nov 2021 #54

Without haggling over your play by play, mzmolly Nov 2021 #55

(sigh) Again, the Prosecutor, (a lawyer), is leaving out the other part of the argument. yagotme Nov 2021 #57

I might buy that nonsense mzmolly Nov 2021 #60

He did "retreat". He turned, and left the immediate area. yagotme Nov 2021 #64

Good grief. mzmolly Nov 2021 #65

And I see other people "making up" laws that apply to their narrative. WarGamer Nov 2021 #67

Funny, mzmolly Nov 2021 #68

You relied on the phrase "unlawful conduct" WarGamer Nov 2021 #72

It's all there on video Zeitghost Nov 2021 #69

The scenario you mention, mzmolly Nov 2021 #78

What I've stated, I've viewed on video, yagotme Nov 2021 #75

Your mistake is calling shooting #1 unlawful conduct. WarGamer Nov 2021 #66

My mistake is calling shooting #1 unlawful conduct? mzmolly Nov 2021 #70

Well we're going to see... maybe tomorrow :) WarGamer Nov 2021 #73

I really understand your emotions... WarGamer Nov 2021 #74

I guess mzmolly Nov 2021 #88

+1, I pray the jury doesn't leave this part out cause KR's defenders are uponit7771 Nov 2021 #80

Indeed. mzmolly Nov 2021 #81

On your #2, yagotme Nov 2021 #71

I haven't followed the details enough to get specific, BUT........... DFW Nov 2021 #23

LOL JI7 Nov 2021 #28

No,if he walks, it'll be because the jury is ignoring facts. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #31

Exactly. If he walks it's mzmolly Nov 2021 #33

Yes, sadly, this. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #36

Indeed. mzmolly Nov 2021 #53

+1, the prosecutor did an excellent job of showing KR *STARTED* all the violence then ran ... uponit7771 Nov 2021 #59

Yep. mzmolly Nov 2021 #62

This is simply not backed up by the video evidence. Zeitghost Nov 2021 #76

Sophistry, KR ***ADMITTED*** to pointing his weapon at Rosenbaugh to "deter" him BEFORE he ran uponit7771 Nov 2021 #79

As soon as he disengaged and retreted Zeitghost Nov 2021 #83

"reasonable means to escape death" is not shooting at KNOWINGLY unarmed people who are chasing uponit7771 Nov 2021 #84

Not quite Zeitghost Nov 2021 #85

You forgot the "unarmed" Rosenbaum ... that's the gating issue. KR could've just kept running, he uponit7771 Nov 2021 #86

He did not have a legal requirement to continue retreating Zeitghost Nov 2021 #87

The only person who heard supposed death threats mzmolly Nov 2021 #89

The witnesses of the prosecution testified Hav Nov 2021 #93

Thanks for the clarification. mzmolly Nov 2021 #97

The main footage Zeitghost Nov 2021 #98

That's not the only footage. Regardless, it's a shame the people of Wisconsin are mzmolly Nov 2021 #99

Not true Zeitghost Nov 2021 #96

Maybe, then he didn't have the legal right for lethal force ... he had other options bottom line uponit7771 Nov 2021 #94

I want the little shit in prison Hav Nov 2021 #95

Exactly. He should have exercised all other options. Instead, mzmolly Nov 2021 #90

If he's found guilty, it will be the jury judging on character rather than law Amishman Nov 2021 #61

It isn't the letter of the law that is the problem kcr Nov 2021 #102

he won't walk Shellback Squid Nov 2021 #77

Rittenhouse will NOT WALK..If you were on the jury, would you let him walk? Stuart G Nov 2021 #91

Based on everything this OP insists is "the LAW" I kind of think he would let the little monster go Hekate Nov 2021 #101