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yagotme

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50. What talking points?

Mon Nov 15, 2021, 08:17 PM

Nov 2021

You mean what was actually shown in the videos? I watched them, several times, looking for what others have been saying here that KR did. I have seen the opposite, mostly. I watched a good bit of the prosecution. The State's witnesses did a horrible job of convincing me, and the cross of GG by Defense had to be excruciating to Prosecution. Got him to admit he was standing over KR, with gun drawn, pointing it at him. Self defense 101. Not a talking point, court record.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] WarGamer Nov 2021 OP

Killing someone is illegal. onecaliberal Nov 2021 #1

If you would have said "Killing someone is wrong..." that'd be a better claim. WarGamer Nov 2021 #3

IMHO, you guys are looking for ForgedCrank Nov 2021 #13

I hear you and should have clarified. For this instance. onecaliberal Nov 2021 #30

I'm not sure how this misinformation keeps spreading. ForgedCrank Nov 2021 #35

Correction: yagotme Nov 2021 #38

You are correct. Not sure how I ForgedCrank Nov 2021 #48

I know how. yagotme Nov 2021 #51

Travon had good reason to be at his dad's house in his dads neighborhood. onecaliberal Nov 2021 #39

I'm not talking about the Zimmerman trial. That was ForgedCrank Nov 2021 #100

I agree with you about passing laws Mr.Bill Nov 2021 #56

Many times it's perfectly legal. Try again. PTWB Nov 2021 #29

Not always treestar Nov 2021 #49

To be more specific, Mr.Bill Nov 2021 #58

Most of the time. Zeitghost Nov 2021 #63

Not sure, but bet if Rittenhouse walked down a NY street with a rifle dangling from his neck Hoyt Nov 2021 #2

Can confirm that you can walk down the street with a longrifle in NY. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #14

... kcr Nov 2021 #82

Well the man said you couldn't walk around in NY with a rifle. That's patently false. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #92

Seems like an attempt to preemptively excuse... jcgoldie Nov 2021 #4

in what way was the LAW not followed? WarGamer Nov 2021 #5

the judge has repeatedly put his thumb on the scale in favor of the defense jcgoldie Nov 2021 #7

The weapons charge being pre-emptively dismissed? lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #8

That's not how the LAW reads. WarGamer Nov 2021 #9

Sorry, your CITATION didn't come through on my browser. lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #11

Look again. WarGamer Nov 2021 #12

Oops. Looks like a Twit thread. lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #15

Actually the Twitter thread displays the laws involved... did you even look? WarGamer Nov 2021 #16

Twit is a RW platform; I don't click on it. lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #17

Then you missed out on the applicable text of the law with highlighted sections WarGamer Nov 2021 #18

Let's not discount the interpretation of laws as a mechanism. Torchlight Nov 2021 #10

He won't walk..The court allowed for conviction on lesser charges whathehell Nov 2021 #6

I've always thought second degree intentional homicide TexasBushwhacker Nov 2021 #42

Yes, I'm not sure how it works in Wisconsin whathehell Nov 2021 #44

Wisconsin does not have a "manslaughter" charge TexasBushwhacker Nov 2021 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author TexasBushwhacker Nov 2021 #43

Uhm. mzmolly Nov 2021 #19

But murder has a legal definition and exceptions that apply... WarGamer Nov 2021 #20

There are no valid exceptions mzmolly Nov 2021 #21

The Jury will decide if the self-defense standard, as written into LAW applies... WarGamer Nov 2021 #22

And should the jury be reasonable mzmolly Nov 2021 #24

#2-3 were clearly a danger. WarGamer Nov 2021 #25

You should mzmolly Nov 2021 #26

Why would I listen to the arguments of salesmen? WarGamer Nov 2021 #27

The evidence is that Rittenhouse committed mzmolly Nov 2021 #32

We clearly disagree... WarGamer Nov 2021 #34

The prosecution pointed out mzmolly Nov 2021 #37

The prosecution kind of left out the "retreat" angle. yagotme Nov 2021 #40

Rittenhouse was chased after his first blatant murder. Others, had a right to self defense. mzmolly Nov 2021 #41

Who are you referring to as "others"? yagotme Nov 2021 #46

Anyone in the area, who didn't want to get shot mzmolly Nov 2021 #47

What talking points? yagotme Nov 2021 #50

I get it. mzmolly Nov 2021 #52

You CAN defend yourself against a guy with an AR-15... yagotme Nov 2021 #54

Without haggling over your play by play, mzmolly Nov 2021 #55

(sigh) Again, the Prosecutor, (a lawyer), is leaving out the other part of the argument. yagotme Nov 2021 #57

I might buy that nonsense mzmolly Nov 2021 #60

He did "retreat". He turned, and left the immediate area. yagotme Nov 2021 #64

Good grief. mzmolly Nov 2021 #65

And I see other people "making up" laws that apply to their narrative. WarGamer Nov 2021 #67

Funny, mzmolly Nov 2021 #68

You relied on the phrase "unlawful conduct" WarGamer Nov 2021 #72

It's all there on video Zeitghost Nov 2021 #69

The scenario you mention, mzmolly Nov 2021 #78

What I've stated, I've viewed on video, yagotme Nov 2021 #75

Your mistake is calling shooting #1 unlawful conduct. WarGamer Nov 2021 #66

My mistake is calling shooting #1 unlawful conduct? mzmolly Nov 2021 #70

Well we're going to see... maybe tomorrow :) WarGamer Nov 2021 #73

I really understand your emotions... WarGamer Nov 2021 #74

I guess mzmolly Nov 2021 #88

+1, I pray the jury doesn't leave this part out cause KR's defenders are uponit7771 Nov 2021 #80

Indeed. mzmolly Nov 2021 #81

On your #2, yagotme Nov 2021 #71

I haven't followed the details enough to get specific, BUT........... DFW Nov 2021 #23

LOL JI7 Nov 2021 #28

No,if he walks, it'll be because the jury is ignoring facts. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #31

Exactly. If he walks it's mzmolly Nov 2021 #33

Yes, sadly, this. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #36

Indeed. mzmolly Nov 2021 #53

+1, the prosecutor did an excellent job of showing KR *STARTED* all the violence then ran ... uponit7771 Nov 2021 #59

Yep. mzmolly Nov 2021 #62

This is simply not backed up by the video evidence. Zeitghost Nov 2021 #76

Sophistry, KR ***ADMITTED*** to pointing his weapon at Rosenbaugh to "deter" him BEFORE he ran uponit7771 Nov 2021 #79

As soon as he disengaged and retreted Zeitghost Nov 2021 #83

"reasonable means to escape death" is not shooting at KNOWINGLY unarmed people who are chasing uponit7771 Nov 2021 #84

Not quite Zeitghost Nov 2021 #85

You forgot the "unarmed" Rosenbaum ... that's the gating issue. KR could've just kept running, he uponit7771 Nov 2021 #86

He did not have a legal requirement to continue retreating Zeitghost Nov 2021 #87

The only person who heard supposed death threats mzmolly Nov 2021 #89

The witnesses of the prosecution testified Hav Nov 2021 #93

Thanks for the clarification. mzmolly Nov 2021 #97

The main footage Zeitghost Nov 2021 #98

That's not the only footage. Regardless, it's a shame the people of Wisconsin are mzmolly Nov 2021 #99

Not true Zeitghost Nov 2021 #96

Maybe, then he didn't have the legal right for lethal force ... he had other options bottom line uponit7771 Nov 2021 #94

I want the little shit in prison Hav Nov 2021 #95

Exactly. He should have exercised all other options. Instead, mzmolly Nov 2021 #90

If he's found guilty, it will be the jury judging on character rather than law Amishman Nov 2021 #61

It isn't the letter of the law that is the problem kcr Nov 2021 #102

he won't walk Shellback Squid Nov 2021 #77

Rittenhouse will NOT WALK..If you were on the jury, would you let him walk? Stuart G Nov 2021 #91

Based on everything this OP insists is "the LAW" I kind of think he would let the little monster go Hekate Nov 2021 #101