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In reply to the discussion: Democratic Socialists Need to Take a Hard Look in the Mirror [View all]brooklynite
(96,882 posts)56. No, that's not the point of THIS article...
THIS article is an analysis by a progressive to the effect that progressive left candidates should consider how popular their ideological positions actually are.
This attitude toward Ms. Waltons defeat specifically and toward the political landscape more broadly is part and parcel of a problem that has deepened in the past five years: So many on the radical left whom I know have convinced themselves that their politics and policies are in fact quite popular on a national level, despite the mounting evidence otherwise.
As New York magazines Sarah Jones put it over the summer, Should Democrats mount a cohesive critique of capitalism, theyll meet many Americans where they are. We are held back, the thinking frequently goes, not by the popularity of our ideas but by the forces of reaction marshaled against us.
But the only way for the left to overcome our institutional disadvantages is to compel more voters to vote for us. Bernie Sanderss two noble failures in Democratic presidential primaries galvanized young progressives and helped create political structures that have pulled the party left. They also helped convince many of a socialist bent that only dirty tricks can defeat us. In the 2016 primary, the superdelegate system demonstrated how undemocratic the Democratic Party can be. Mr. Sanders won every county in West Virginia, for example, but the system at the time ensured that Mr. Sanders did not receive superdelegates in proportion to his vote totals (many superdelegates defied the wishes of the voters and supported Mrs. Clinton). In 2020, it was widely reported that after Mr. Sanderss victory in Nevada, former President Barack Obama had an indirect role as the minor candidates in the primary rallied behind Joe Biden to defeat the socialist threat. There is little doubt that the establishment worked overtime to prevent a Sanders nomination.
But the inconvenient fact is that Mr. Sanders received far fewer primary votes than Mrs. Clinton in 2016 and Mr. Biden in 2020. He failed to make major inroads among the moderate Black voters whom many see as the heart of the Democratic Party. Whats more, he failed to turn out the youth vote in the way that his supporters insisted he would.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/16/opinion/democratic-socialists-india-walton.html?smid=tw-share
As New York magazines Sarah Jones put it over the summer, Should Democrats mount a cohesive critique of capitalism, theyll meet many Americans where they are. We are held back, the thinking frequently goes, not by the popularity of our ideas but by the forces of reaction marshaled against us.
But the only way for the left to overcome our institutional disadvantages is to compel more voters to vote for us. Bernie Sanderss two noble failures in Democratic presidential primaries galvanized young progressives and helped create political structures that have pulled the party left. They also helped convince many of a socialist bent that only dirty tricks can defeat us. In the 2016 primary, the superdelegate system demonstrated how undemocratic the Democratic Party can be. Mr. Sanders won every county in West Virginia, for example, but the system at the time ensured that Mr. Sanders did not receive superdelegates in proportion to his vote totals (many superdelegates defied the wishes of the voters and supported Mrs. Clinton). In 2020, it was widely reported that after Mr. Sanderss victory in Nevada, former President Barack Obama had an indirect role as the minor candidates in the primary rallied behind Joe Biden to defeat the socialist threat. There is little doubt that the establishment worked overtime to prevent a Sanders nomination.
But the inconvenient fact is that Mr. Sanders received far fewer primary votes than Mrs. Clinton in 2016 and Mr. Biden in 2020. He failed to make major inroads among the moderate Black voters whom many see as the heart of the Democratic Party. Whats more, he failed to turn out the youth vote in the way that his supporters insisted he would.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/16/opinion/democratic-socialists-india-walton.html?smid=tw-share
FWIW - The progressive-left is facing the same outcome in 2022: Zephy Teachout losing to Daniel Goldman for AG, and Jumaane Williams losing to Governor Hochul.
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A key question: Do people who oppose Democratic Socialist beliefs even know what they are? n/t
TygrBright
Nov 2021
#1
Retirement age. I can't recall leftists being active in their support of equal marriage rights.
mahatmakanejeeves
Nov 2021
#12
But as he said, the Democrats did choose her - it was a rogue Democrat and Republicans
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2021
#17
In a legal sense, the Democratic Party chose her, as she got the most votes...
brooklynite
Nov 2021
#43
The point is that her nomination didn't indicate support for her DS polices by the electorate...
brooklynite
Nov 2021
#54
No, the point is you are suggesting that your people should ignore votes when they disagree with you
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2021
#55
It's not the article that's bad, it's your "legally/practically" attitude
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2021
#58
I would be reluctant to vote for anyone who self-identified as a socialist.
comradebillyboy
Nov 2021
#20
''Public sentiment is everything. With public sentiment, nothing can fail. Without it, nothing can
empedocles
Nov 2021
#34
"Every four years, the Gallup poll asks Americans, 'If your party nominated a generally
betsuni
Nov 2021
#33
Perhaps a dental visit is in order. Democrats, neoliberalism, and the Third Way
Celerity
Nov 2021
#49
For starters they can stop whining like a republican when they lose,
cinematicdiversions
Nov 2021
#22
Many of the policies supported by the DSA are popular with a majority of Americans
Fiendish Thingy
Nov 2021
#27
I remember Joe Biden clearly rejecting single-payer healthcare and wealth taxes...
brooklynite
Nov 2021
#36
And yet, a wealth tax is proposed for the BBB, as is Medicare expansion. Nt
Fiendish Thingy
Nov 2021
#37