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DetroitLegalBeagle

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35. The reasonable standard wasn't unique to this case

Sat Nov 20, 2021, 12:07 PM

Nov 2021

Its the standard for judging self defense claims pretty much everywhere. Same with it having to be judged from the perspective of the person claiming self defense. The actual facts, particularly ones not learned until after the incident and ones that the person claiming self defense wasn't in a position to know, take a back seat. Legal self defense is based entirely around whether a reasonable 3rd person would act in the same way while in the same situation and knowing what the defendant knew at that time.

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So its legal for 17 yr olds to open carry AR-15s in Wisconsin ?! [View all] uponit7771 Nov 2021 OP

He was legally allowed on a technicality that was... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2021 #1

+1, It goes without saying he was NOT hunting game, I would've pressed this if I was the prosecutor uponit7771 Nov 2021 #4

I think the prosecutor might've done just that. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2021 #5

Perhaps the definition of "game" is different in Wisconsin? PatSeg Nov 2021 #24

+1 uponit7771 Nov 2021 #29

So in WS, a 17 yo can carry an AR-15 but can't buy a beer. no_hypocrisy Nov 2021 #2

+1 uponit7771 Nov 2021 #3

A short barreled AR-15 that is worthless for hunting, game. gab13by13 Nov 2021 #7

If you need more than 3 rounds in your hunting rifle, multigraincracker Nov 2021 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author sl8 Nov 2021 #26

I was able to go to the Army before I could vote and could only doc03 Nov 2021 #25

The problem, imo, are all the pundits screaming about the case janterry Nov 2021 #6

Jonathan Capehart gab13by13 Nov 2021 #8

Exactly. The folks screaming bloody murder are making it impossible to fix this situation. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #9

"...any "Ism" they can come up ...", You feel a black kid would've been treated the same way as KR uponit7771 Nov 2021 #10

Of course not. Race matters. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #11

A poor person without public support... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2021 #12

KR family looks about as working poor as one can get, I also typed "similar situation" so ... uponit7771 Nov 2021 #13

Probably true, but money plays an oversized role... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2021 #14

I thought KRs mom was asking for help for legal fees? You're right, money walks and talks too much uponit7771 Nov 2021 #17

That article states their fund already raised... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2021 #19

Got a point there, sounds like his mother is into the grift then ... that's all the right has come t uponit7771 Nov 2021 #21

kalief browder JustAnotherGen Nov 2021 #27

Rittenhouse's mother already raised over $460,000... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2021 #28

He at least got his day in court JustAnotherGen Nov 2021 #31

Read my edit in my previous post. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2021 #33

My experience also impacted my earning ability... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2021 #34

+1 BeckyDem Nov 2021 #39

How will this discussion/reporting change the law janterry Nov 2021 #15

Objective people can see on the face of the current laws they're not fair that's how it helps ... uponit7771 Nov 2021 #16

So, the takeaway is that we should strengthen the laws on guns? janterry Nov 2021 #18

Finally, ForgedCrank Nov 2021 #32

Well said Hav Nov 2021 #38

We didn't have AR-15s back in my day but we carried our shotguns and .22s doc03 Nov 2021 #22

Race, when mixed with the intentions of the protests, which showed white people standing against BeckyDem Nov 2021 #23

The reasonable standard wasn't unique to this case DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 2021 #35

Right, the reasonable means used against a skateboard as a weapon. BeckyDem Nov 2021 #36

What makes a skateboard different from a baseball bat or any other blunt object? DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 2021 #37

Apparently it is legal for them to be unstoppable active shooters Generic Brad Nov 2021 #30

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