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Zeitghost

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42. If we were discussing a criminal case

Sat Nov 20, 2021, 12:29 PM

Nov 2021

You would be correct. In a civil case their violent criminal record can be used to establish a pattern of behavior.

What are the odds that at a liberal, anti police violence protest attended by mostly peace loving people that the only three shot had violent criminal pasts and were shown to be engaging in more violence when shot?

All three were there to cause trouble by trying to blend in with an otherwise peaceful crowd. We should be mad as hell that these violent men with a history of abusing women and children use our just cause to commit more violence.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Hiawatha Pete Nov 2021 OP

Probably not. Ocelot II Nov 2021 #1

Can the victims families sue civilly? WhiteTara Nov 2021 #4

Maybe the families of the victims can set up a go-fund me (like the Rittenhouse supporters did) Hiawatha Pete Nov 2021 #16

They not only can but probably will. Colgate 64 Nov 2021 #18

On what grounds? pinkstarburst Nov 2021 #28

Sure, but they risk being responsible for his legal fees madville Nov 2021 #40

Guess the only way to find out for sure would be to test it in court Hiawatha Pete Nov 2021 #15

More likely charge, if charged federally, is violation of civil rights IMO. Scottie Mom Nov 2021 #2

All involved are white Devil Child Nov 2021 #6

Political beliefs are considered in some states. Scottie Mom Nov 2021 #22

I tend to agree with your assertion "More likely charge...is violation of civil rights..." Hiawatha Pete Nov 2021 #7

the only possible place would be under WhiteTara Nov 2021 #8

Political affiliation is not a protected class re: civil rights violation Devil Child Nov 2021 #10

thanks. WhiteTara Nov 2021 #11

Political affiliation is possibly the basis for a charge of federal hate crime. Scottie Mom Nov 2021 #23

No Zeitghost Nov 2021 #3

That said he was found not guilty at the state level... Hiawatha Pete Nov 2021 #5

Double Jeopardy isn't the issue Zeitghost Nov 2021 #9

"Even if his actions had been found to be unlawful, it still isn't terrorism" Hiawatha Pete Nov 2021 #13

Don't get civil and criminal charges confused. Ocelot II Nov 2021 #17

You're reaching and you know it Zeitghost Nov 2021 #21

I will politely add the illegally concealed Glock Devil Child Nov 2021 #26

Doesn't matter what their history was; did Rittenhouse know about it? Ocelot II Nov 2021 #29

+1000 Hiawatha Pete Nov 2021 #33

Rittehouse certainly knew about the illegally concealed glock when it was drawn on him Devil Child Nov 2021 #37

If we were discussing a criminal case Zeitghost Nov 2021 #42

Do you have a reference you could cite for those Sogo Nov 2021 #27

Yes Zeitghost Nov 2021 #34

Rosenbaum was a child rapist Devil Child Nov 2021 #38

Huber Devil Child Nov 2021 #48

Rittenhouse didn't go to Kenosha with a list of "priors" for everyone demonstrating. He shot... George II Nov 2021 #30

+1000 Hiawatha Pete Nov 2021 #32

You are right Zeitghost Nov 2021 #35

Bingo, that point seems to be lost on many n/t Devil Child Nov 2021 #39

With the past being admissible... DiamondShark Nov 2021 #64

Well here in Canada, the Proudboys are indeed a Federally-designated terrorist organization Hiawatha Pete Nov 2021 #31

Taking a selfie in a bar Zeitghost Nov 2021 #36

Too bad you can't tell the difference asking a question and "reaching" Hiawatha Pete Nov 2021 #44

Post removed Post removed Nov 2021 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author Hiawatha Pete Nov 2021 #49

This isn't Canada n/t Devil Child Nov 2021 #50

And yet everyone (in both countries) has the right to free speech regardless of citizenship n/t Hiawatha Pete Nov 2021 #52

Post removed Post removed Nov 2021 #51

There is no way the shooter could have known about the (completely irrelevant)history of his victims Hiawatha Pete Nov 2021 #53

And I didn't know about the alleged history of Rittenhouse' victims either until this thread. Hiawatha Pete Nov 2021 #57

I doubt it would work, especially since the Feds... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2021 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author Hiawatha Pete Nov 2021 #14

See above. There is no civil cause of action for terrorism, so it doesn't matter Ocelot II Nov 2021 #19

Sorry if I wasn't clear,yes state/federal terrorism charges are a separate issue from the civil suit Hiawatha Pete Nov 2021 #25

If they want to try, then they should go for it. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2021 #20

This Zeitghost Nov 2021 #45

We frown against Zeitghost Nov 2021 #47

I doubt it. SYFROYH Nov 2021 #24

Doubt the feds will try any of that madville Nov 2021 #41

He'd still use self defense treestar Nov 2021 #43

Because in Canada Proudboys are indeed a terrorist organization. Don't know what the US law is in Hiawatha Pete Nov 2021 #55

"terrorist organization" treestar Nov 2021 #58

It will be a long and fruitless search. Devil Child Nov 2021 #59

Do you know where to find the domestic designations list? treestar Nov 2021 #61

I wish I could but no such designation exists Devil Child Nov 2021 #62

Oh, OK so they just aren't "designated" treestar Nov 2021 #65

What interest would the federal government have in this case? Steelrolled Nov 2021 #54

So right wing vigilante violence OK in the US. Got it. Hiawatha Pete Nov 2021 #56

no you're just obsessed with calling something "terrorism" treestar Nov 2021 #60

Nope. I'm not saying that at all and you don't get to put words in my mouth. Hiawatha Pete Nov 2021 #63

check out your post title treestar Nov 2021 #66

No,I'm saying a jury in state of WI already decided that murder charges do not apply in this case Hiawatha Pete Nov 2021 #67

I am not sure Meowmee Nov 2021 #68