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61. One of the main reasons the Weimarer Republik failed, and hasn't yet been cited here
Sat Nov 20, 2021, 10:12 PM
Nov 2021

It was corrected after World War II, as Adenauer and the rest recognized the problem.

In the Weimarer Republik, every tiny party that got a few votes was allowed representation in the Parliament. Debate time was often taken up and wasted by useless boutique parties that nevertheless enjoyed status that enabled them to stifle and cripple the government. A governing coalition was impossible to assemble. Dozens of parties were represented. One reason the National Socialists of Hitler and Göbbels had any appeal was their ability to claim--not entirely without justification--that nothing ever got done, and that they WOULD get things done. Like with Trump, many voters figured, "well, how bad could they possibly BE?" Twelve years later, when all of Germany was in smoking ruins, they had their answer.

The Constitution of the Federal Republic, brought into being in 1949, mandated by law that NO party getting less than 5% of the vote would be allowed representation in any government--federal, state or city. Fringe parties could organize and exist to their hearts' content (and indeed still do), but they would not have seats in government until they got at least SOME (as in 5%) popular backing.

I think that instinctively, if not consciously, that is the reason that members of the House and Senate as diverse as the Squad and Manchin/Sinema all remain Democrats. Were they all members of tiny boutique parties, they would all be members of insignificant fringe parties that could make noise and stymie votes, but as troublemakers permanently keeping the Democrats from a voting majority. The Republicans haven't overlooked this, either. They haven't split into the Republican Realists and the Republican Crazies, although the split is a de facto reality.

In Germany, 25 years ago, the Greens were looking at the same situation. There were the "Realos (the pragmatists) " and the "Fundis (the strict fundamentalists)." The Realos won out, and the Party became a real force in German politics. They were in the governing coalition for a while (and, next month, soon will be again), and a former prominent demonstrator (Joschka Fischer) was the Green Foreign Minister, eloquently telling Donald Rumsfeld to his face, and on TV, that he hadn't presented any compelling reason why Germany should follow Dick Cheney in the Iraq invasion. The Fundis either faded or went with the former East German Socialists, who evolved from the official East German ruling party, the SED (Socialist Unity Party of Germany) which became the PDS (Party of Democratic Socialism) which became a large part of a slightly larger tent just called "Die Linke," or "the Left." They are currently in the process of re-enacting their own version of the ending scene of Animal Farm, but are expected to weather the storm.

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K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Nov 2021 #1
Read. Ninga Nov 2021 #2
K&R Bettie Nov 2021 #3
No, I don't think so. As carryovers wnylib Nov 2021 #22
They wouldn't had been concerned about it being political at that time. LiberalFighter Nov 2021 #55
Clear comparisons. yardwork Nov 2021 #4
Seems like we're getting there. triron Nov 2021 #5
K & R malaise Nov 2021 #6
It worked for them then, FoxNewsSucks Nov 2021 #7
When I see the Trump Flag caravans tooling around the city kairos12 Nov 2021 #8
Prior to the 2016 election KS Toronado Nov 2021 #14
One difference in our favor. wnylib Nov 2021 #23
This is indeed a huge difference. thucythucy Nov 2021 #46
May I build on what you wrote? KS Toronado Nov 2021 #66
All across America DENVERPOPS Nov 2021 #33
Amen. SergeStorms Nov 2021 #9
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I've always objected to "American Exceptionalism" mrsadm Nov 2021 #53
I've always thought that it's total BS. wnylib Nov 2021 #54
I've been wrong before KS Toronado Nov 2021 #10
Yes. As soon as socialists joined the party, nazi fascists murdered them & forbade using "socialist" ancianita Nov 2021 #12
Not quite. Not Democratic, sort of socialist. Voltaire2 Nov 2021 #19
The Social Democrats were a specific left wing party thucythucy Nov 2021 #39
No. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2021 #56
Just read some of what Goebbels wrote DFW Nov 2021 #59
K&R. JudyM Nov 2021 #11
1/6/21 and the Beer Hall Putsch are analogs Ponietz Nov 2021 #13
Yes, that's yet another similarity with the current USA. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2021 #16
Maybe not to the same extreme just yet but luv2fly Nov 2021 #24
I've been secretive too! Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2021 #26
You are not alone. mnhtnbb Nov 2021 #63
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Hitler himself got a ridiculously light sentence... paleotn Nov 2021 #25
Not only a light sentence, thucythucy Nov 2021 #44
I draw a direct analogy to present day USA. ananda Nov 2021 #27
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There was no Internet then gulliver Nov 2021 #30
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It's the Internet and smartphones in everyone's hands. gulliver Nov 2021 #50
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Also......corrupt judges Mysterian Nov 2021 #31
Hitler's cushy prison life moondust Nov 2021 #32
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Republicans might even cause a terrorist act like 9/11... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2021 #35
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I first heard about it from Noam Chomsky a few years ago. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2021 #38
The Allies probably doomed the Weimer Republic more then anything else. Kaleva Nov 2021 #42
The whole "stab in the back" thucythucy Nov 2021 #48
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One of the main reasons the Weimarer Republik failed, and hasn't yet been cited here DFW Nov 2021 #61
You raise an excellent point. thucythucy Nov 2021 #67
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