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paleotn

(22,752 posts)
21. That's regressive taxation....
Sun Nov 21, 2021, 11:15 AM
Nov 2021

because even the rich can only physically consume so much. Far more than you and I, but that difference in consumption is far less than the difference between theirs and our net worth and total, annual income. Thus, any kind of consumption tax, be it a VAT or sales tax, doesn't shift taxation adequately to the upper 5% of incomes, i.e. those who benefit far more than you and I from our national institutions and should thus pay more for those benefits. The vast majority of Elon Musk's wealth is tied up in financial assets and associated transactions, not in stuff he consumes. Financial assets and transactions are where the real money is.

How about....

- Increase long term capital gains tax rates to something much closer to ordinary income tax rates. Data shows that lowering cap gains tax rates does not increase GDP growth. It does not increase investment on useful things and does not improve the efficient allocation of capital. It just drives financial bubbles.

- A financial transaction tax. A tiny % like Senator Sanders has proposed. So small, that it's nearly invisible to 95% of Americans, yet Wall Street, particularly high frequency traders, fight the very idea tooth and nail. No one has adequately explained to me how high frequency trading actually assists in the efficient allocation of capital, the lofty end goal of financial markets....supposedly. It's fucking Las Vegas. Tax the hell out of high frequency traders.

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Joe Manchin needs to get up to speed on this. nt oasis Nov 2021 #1
Maybe he and or his family benefits from this law???? riversedge Nov 2021 #5
Joe Manchin doesn't care about facts. paleotn Nov 2021 #15
Republicans do this to us over and over at federal, state and local levels. KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2021 #2
Why are we not reversing this?? Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #3
Maybe a fight not worth having since it expires after 2025 anyway...? (n/t) thesquanderer Nov 2021 #13
Good point. Pick your hills. paleotn Nov 2021 #16
So we transfer another 70 billion (rounding the math here of 10 billion/year from 2018 to 2025) Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #25
We couldn't do anything about 2018, 2019, 2020, or 2021 no matter what. So... half that? (n./t) thesquanderer Nov 2021 #29
Well. Only thirty five billion (and we COULD try for a claw back, but OK, let's not consider it) Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #30
It got labeled "The Death Tax" and unfair to poor farmers trying to pass their farms on to heirs. TigressDem Nov 2021 #20
Another republiQan PR success that we did not effectively counter. Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #26
The Bush family was one of them, weren't they? Frustratedlady Nov 2021 #4
Theft by any other name is still theft bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #6
Would a V.A.T. (Value added tax) solve some of this? 3Hotdogs Nov 2021 #7
VAT would tax everyone more rather than target the wealthiest that can afford more taxes wishstar Nov 2021 #9
Yes, it is regressive but if accompanied by refund credits based on income....Or 3Hotdogs Nov 2021 #10
Every time the tax code becomes more complex it tends to become more unfair. jaxexpat Nov 2021 #24
Why? Why not just tax the tenth billion in income (whatever kind of income) at 90%? Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #27
We want EU style programs but refuse to fund it with EU-style taxes oldsoftie Nov 2021 #11
That's regressive taxation.... paleotn Nov 2021 #21
Just more worthless trust fund babies. The Jungle 1 Nov 2021 #8
Free lunch for the rich dlk Nov 2021 #12
The people who want us to believe taxation is theft are also the biggest looters of our government. Efilroft Sul Nov 2021 #14
Am I surprised? Nope. paleotn Nov 2021 #17
Extreme Viewpoints Jazz Jon Nov 2021 #18
Northeast Jazz Jon Nov 2021 #23
The estate tax kicks in at 12 million. If you can't pay the estate tax on your Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #28
No, Dems don't want to tax 50% of estates moose65 Nov 2021 #31
Then the republicans claim Democratic policy caused it liberal N proud Nov 2021 #19
...K&R... spanone Nov 2021 #22
K&R ck4829 Nov 2021 #32
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